Lemieux Will Be Keeping Close Eye on Cotto, Ringtv confirms Dec 2nd as a possible date

[zapataxiv]

Ya it doesnt really make sense for Cotto to go out on, but who knows.

yea that is how i feel its out of nowhere, why is Lemi even eyeing this match?

If Cotto wants to keep fighting then he should be matched at 154 against Trout or Charlo. Maybe even a Khan fight at 154, for the money and fun of it. I think those fights would all be more meaningful or memorable than a Lemieux fight.

this makes more sense if cotton wants to go out on a bang with somebody who is known as a dangerous puncher that is going to brawl, then CHarlo is the better choice (dangerous too).

 

[nac386]

yea that is how i feel its out of nowhere, why is Lemi even eyeing this match?

this makes more sense if cotton wants to go out on a bang with somebody who is known as a dangerous puncher that is going to brawl, then CHarlo is the better choice (dangerous too).

People would appreciate a victory over Charlo as a valuable addition to his resume. Lemieux is a good fighter, but for some reason people don't really respect him. Plus Charlo is actually more Cotto's size.

 

[quincy k]

People aren't calling you an asshat for getting the mikey Garcia fight wrong. They're calling you an asshat because you're acting like ace rothstein from casino on gambling, and like roger mayweather about boxing when you are talking to people who aren't exactly here because they saw Kimbo slice dust some bum in a backyard as if they need a class of Quincy k teaches boxing 101.

how so?

i dont remember any of what im saying coming off like that. i use a lot of stats, history and other fighters opinions to base my decision on who i think is going to win a fight and if that makes me sound like ace rothstein or roger mayweather to you i dont care.

its really that simple

 

[zapataxiv]

well, im not going to agree to being an asshat. i liked the broner play and never capped the fight with mikey having the ability to average 65 punches a round when he normally only averaged 45-50 when facing ranked world class opponents(fights that lasted over 7 rounds).

that doesnt make me an asshat. it makes me wrong in the way i capped the fight.

there are worse kinds of hats its not like we are saying you are one of those bejeweled hats that says rockstar on the front.
This is what we are talking about though sure mikey averaged a punch average in the 45-50 range but factoring in brokers performances and how he can be inactive or take rounds off would also be sign that mikey would be looking to throw more shots. Especially if broner was trying to do his imitation crab roll then mikey would be looking to throw more shots to open him up and tenderize broner.

 

[Sunfish]

how so?

i dont remember any of what im saying coming off like that. i use a lot of stats, history and other fighters opinions to base my decision on who i think is going to win a fight and if that makes me sound like ace rothstein or roger mayweather to you i dont care.

its really that simple

Well you will continue to not get your opinions taken seriously and come over as a pretentious know it all with wicked boxrec skills.

 

[quincy k]

there are worse kinds of hats its not like we are saying you are one of those bejeweled hats that says rockstar on the front.
This is what we are talking about though sure mikey averaged a punch average in the 45-50 range but factoring in brokers performances and how he can be inactive or take rounds off would also be sign that mikey would be looking to throw more shots. Especially if broner was trying to do his imitation crab roll then mikey would be looking to throw more shots to open him up and tenderize broner.

garcia averaged those lower punch counts against 126 salido, 130 roman and 130 burgos. i never wouldve thought that his punch output would increase agaisnt a better fighter at two weight classes higher. iirc, @Marc A and i discussed those punch counts prior to the fight and he believed that the low punch counts might have been due to garcia having a tough time making weight. looks like he was right. im not going to dig through my posts because i really dont give a shit but i believe that i mentioned that if garcia threw 700 punches then broner was going to lose.

 

[quincy k]

Well you will continue to not get your opinions taken seriously and come over as a pretentious know it all with wicked boxrec skills.

i thought i made this clear. i really could care less what you think

okay?

 

[zapataxiv]

People would appreciate a victory over Charlo as a valuable addition to his resume. Lemieux is a good fighter, but for some reason people don't really respect him. Plus Charlo is actually more Cotto's size.

the only real angle is that Lemi could do good numbers in Montreal and at this time is possibly a bigger draw then Charlo. Lemi could give Cotto a good fight, which might be all Cotto is looking for and a potential war is always good for the rep. Gatti and Ward were never the cream of the crop but Gatti is a hall of famer and ward has a movie made after him.

 

[nac386]

the only real angle is that Lemi could do good numbers in Montreal and at this time is possibly a bigger draw then Charlo. Lemi could give Cotto a good fight, which might be all Cotto is looking for and a potential war is always good for the rep. Gatti and Ward were never the cream of the crop but Gatti is a hall of famer and ward has a movie made after him.

Yeah but Cotto already has more than enough wars on his resume. I think the only thing of value at this point is a quality win and a lot of money.

 

[Sunfish]

i thought i made this clear. i really could care less what you think

okay?

You do care, you have gone after regulars trying to belittle them. Justify absurd bets but say you always make money and were trying to explain boxing using boxrec Wikipedia and compubox and then say everyone else is embarrassing themselves.

I, and probably the majority of people in here don't care about your bets and your reasons for doing it. I know far better people than you to take advice from, several of them you have been a condescending nob to. If you can't take criticism then kindly fuck off back the the gambling threads and you and your buddies can brag about bets you didn't make. At least most of us are prepared to wear it when we lose, someone with a record as good as yours would be a multi millionaire not some dude on a boxing forum.

 

[zapataxiv]

garcia averaged those lower punch counts against 126 salido, 130 roman and 130 burgos. i never wouldve thought that his punch output would increase agaisnt a better fighter at two weight classes higher. iirc, @Marc A and i discussed those punch counts prior to the fight and he believed that the low punch counts might have been due to garcia having a tough time making weight. looks like he was right. im not going to dig through my posts because i really dont give a shit but i believe that i mentioned that if garcia threw 700 punches then broner was going to lose.

objectively broner is a better fighter, but there are stylistic differences between those fighters and broner so applying a blanket statistic is not the most accurate to examine the fight. Simply being Garcia did not have to throw more punches to beat those guys, he did to Broner. Weight cuts aside there is more stylistically at play as well.
not to condescend but that is the way is saw the fight anyway.

 

[zapataxiv]

maybe

Yeah but Cotto already has more than enough wars on his resume. I think the only thing of value at this point is a quality win and a lot of money.

no disputing that but he has come up on the losing end several times. No shame considering the level of competition he was facing and manner of losing. Beating a bigger KO puncher always is good. for example what if floyd beat Lemi in his first retirement match instead of fighting Berto, there would be less hate on floyd i am sure of it.

 

[quincy k]

objectively broner is a better fighter, but there are stylistic differences between those fighters and broner so applying a blanket statistic is not the most accurate to examine the fight. Simply being Garcia did not have to throw more punches to beat those guys, he did to Broner. Weight cuts aside there is more stylistically at play as well.
not to condescend but that is the way is saw the fight anyway.

that is another argument. that mikey just did the minimum required to get those three wins and only turned it up when he fought broner, adrian having trouble with maidainas 950 punches

regardless, obviously you have to cap mikey differently now that he has shown the ability to throw 800 punches in a 140 fight. mikeys throwing 500 punches against crawford hes not going to win.

and youre right about the blanket statistic regarding punch stats not being everything but they are a very important factor, at least for me

 

[quincy k]

You do care, you have gone after regulars trying to belittle them. Justify absurd bets but say you always make money and were trying to explain boxing using boxrec Wikipedia and compubox and then say everyone else is embarrassing themselves.

I, and probably the majority of people in here don't care about your bets and your reasons for doing it. I know far better people than you to take advice from, several of them you have been a condescending nob to. If you can't take criticism then kindly fuck off back the the gambling threads and you and your buddies can brag about bets you didn't make. At least most of us are prepared to wear it when we lose, someone with a record as good as yours would be a multi millionaire not some dude on a boxing forum.

wtf?

when did i say that i always make money? when did i say that everyone is embarrasing themselves?

please link the posts or kindly stfu.

as for bets we dont make...you are an absolute fuken clown for even saying that.

we post them before the fight you retard

now, link those post i supposedly made, where i claim to make so much money betting on fights and how everyone here is embarassing themselves...

you fuken clown

 

[Sunfish]

wtf?

when did i say that i always make money?

please link the post or kindly stfu.

as for bets we dont make...you are an absolute fuken clown for even saying that.

we post them before the fight you retard

You want me to stfu I'm a fucking clown and a retard? Very erudite.

When you remove the giant sequoia sized stick you've got shoved up your ass you might get round to saying something better than "compubox says mikey only threw 500 punches against a completely different fighter with a completely different style so I ignored common sense and bet on someone who was never going to win".

 

[PUO3]

well maybe if you werent a prick to me then i wont be a prick to you. you need to move on. this all started in the jacobs/golovkin thread

i could care less about you and thats why i only respond to your posts when you go about your condescending ways to me

 

[PUO3]

Lemi does not do anything for Cotto. It seems like a pointless fight against a much bigger guy who can really punch. I would heavily favor Cotto, but if he wins, so what? Nobody will remember Cotto for that time he beat David Lemieux.

If Cotto wants to keep fighting then he should be matched at 154 against Trout or Charlo. Maybe even a Khan fight at 154, for the money and fun of it. I think those fights would all be more meaningful or memorable than a Lemieux fight.

Man. Youre all sick lol. Stop wishing for Khan's head to be removed.

Id love to see Charlo/Cotto though. Great fight.

 

[PUO3]

yea that is how i feel its out of nowhere, why is Lemi even eyeing this match?

this makes more sense if cotton wants to go out on a bang with somebody who is known as a dangerous puncher that is going to brawl, then CHarlo is the better choice (dangerous too).

Its win/win for Lemi. He gets either a big pay day or a big name on his resume.

 

[quincy k]

You want me to stfu I'm a fucking clown and a retard? Very erudite.

When you remove the giant sequoia sized stick you've got shoved up your ass you might get round to saying something better than "compubox says mikey only threw 500 punches against a completely different fighter with a completely different style so I ignored common sense and bet on someone who was never going to win".

its was three fighters...salido, burgos and martinez. his punch output was not one isolated fight or fighter. mikey more or less averaged the same amount of punches thrown per round in those three fights.

how about you and i just dont comment on each others posts? im okay with that

i tried to do that with your puo3 buddy but hes in love with me, continues to seek me out. all because of some thread where the peanut gallery said that golvkin had bad footwork and i refuted it with fight footage and other boxers opinions regarding gennadys footwork

seriously, just dont comment on my posts and i wont commnet on yours.

its not that difficult if you have a life

for me its no problem because as i said before i could care less what you think

that and the fact that you cant provide any links to your bullshit so if you cant move on at least stfu, you know, since there is nowhere on this forum where i claim to "always make money" gambling

you fuken clown

 

[nac386]

Man. Youre all sick lol. Stop wishing for Khan's head to be removed.

Id love to see Charlo/Cotto though. Great fight.

I actually felt bad after putting Khan on that list, and almost edited it. I take it back. If Khan had not already been knocked dead by Canelo, it'd be a decent idea though.