Legal vs illegal in a nutshell

[Maga]

• Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
  
  Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
  
  Ready?... now pay attention....
  
  Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
  
  Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
  
  Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
  
  Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
  
  Joe legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe legal spends $500.00 per month for food or $6,000.00 per year. Joe legal now has $18,031.00.
  
  Jose illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
  
  Joe legal pays rent of 1,200.00 per month or $14,400.00 per year. Joe legal now has $9,631.00.
  
  Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
  
  Joe legal pays $200.00 per month or $2,400.00 per year for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe legal now has $7,231.00.
  
  Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
  
  Joe legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline.. etc.
  
  Jose illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline and what he sends out of the country every month....
  
  Joe legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
  
  Jose illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
  
  Joe legal's and Jose illegal's children both attend the same elementary school.
  
  Joe legal pays for his children's lunches while...
  
  Jose illegal's children get a government-sponsored lunch.
  
  Jose illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
  
  Joe legal's children go home.
  
  Now, when they reach college age...
  
  Joe legal's kids may not get into a State school and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State schools through his taxes, while...
  
  Jose illegal's kids go to the, 'head of the class' because they are a minority.
  
  Joe legal and Jose illegal both benefit from the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not.
  
  Do you get it, now?

 

[xcvbn]

Employers of illegals should be fined $10,000 per day worked by an illegal and face mandatory minimum sentences of 10 years per illegal employee.

Remove the incentive and they'll stop coming here illegally. Problem solved.

 

[snakedafunky]

Did you copy and paste that from r/thegoebbels ?

 

[ChillBroBaggins]

Ben 'Big Dick' JenkerMcJenson is a respected white man. His dad was a respected white man who dabbled in politics, as did his dad before him. The JenkerMcJenson family made their fortune in airplane gyroscopic technologies, a crucial field at the onset of the Cold War. Government pooled in taxpayer money to subsidize the next era of jet warfare. The JenkerMcJenson family obliged.

Now, Ben 'Big Dick' is well removed from the pioneering science that his grandfather initiated. Instead, a legion of promising engineers collaborate on this very specific field, which is still government subsidized. Mr. Big Dick couldn't tell you what a gyrodoohicky is, but business seems to be doing well now, especially after the economic scares in 2008.

"It sure is a good thing the Uncle Sam bailed us out," he reminisced.

As far as taxes, there's not much to say. Most of it is hauled to Costa de Random Fucking Isle, where it is thankfully safe from those greedy tax collectors.

"Boy," thinks Ben 'Big Dick' as he turns on Fox News, "those illegals really are destroying America." He chuckles and takes another sip of brandy.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Why's it gotta be Jose?

Why can't it be Flaco deTaco?

 

[tonni]

This fictional anecdote just frigging solved the whole migration thing.

 

[vengeful]

Joe Legal should just ask to get paid under the table too and get all the same benefits as Jose!

 

[bobgeese]

Pretty clear to see which poster are anti American.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Did you just assume Joe and Jose's gender?

 

[Squarechoke]

Sounds odd that he'd pay 31% tax on that income in the US. Sweden is known for high taxes but here someone with that income would pay 23.7% in income tax (slight variations based on which municipality you live in), and that of course includes not having to have health insurance etc.

 

[Trotsky]

Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted. Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.

Bam, right off the bat you don't know what you're talking about. Upwards of 70% of undocumented immigrants do pay taxes through a counterfeit or false SSN. And many who don't pay taxes through ITIN's (individual taxpayer identification numbers). And the ones who don't fall into either group are usually working freelance.

You seriously think a construction company could work a big project without reporting wages and not come under immediate scrutiny?

• Do you get it, now?

Irony.

 

[Maga]

Bam, right off the bat you don't know what you're talking about. Upwards of 70% of undocumented immigrants do pay taxes through a counterfeit or false SSN. And many who don't pay taxes through ITIN's (individual taxpayer identification numbers). And the ones who don't fall into either group are usually working freelance.

You seriously think a construction company could work a big project without reporting wages and not come under immediate scrutiny?


Irony.

Ignorance ^^

 

[ChillBroBaggins]

Ignorance ^^

Nice rebuttal.

 

[Trotsky]

Ignorance ^^

Answer the question. How uninformed are you? Do you think employers are able to pay wages under the table without immediately triggering reporting mechanisms that tell the government? You think one construction company can pay zero payroll taxes, while their competitors are paying payroll taxes for tens or hundreds of workers, and no one would notice?

Anyways, this would be a worthwhile read for you:
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/

 

[helltoupee]

Bam, right off the bat you don't know what you're talking about. Upwards of 70% of undocumented immigrants do pay taxes through a counterfeit or false SSN. And many who don't pay taxes through ITIN's (individual taxpayer identification numbers). And the ones who don't fall into either group are usually working freelance.

You seriously think a construction company could work a big project without reporting wages and not come under immediate scrutiny?


Irony.

Ignorance ^^

Not only is Trotsky correct, but Jose illegal also contributes to Social Security, Medicare, and Income taxes without ever seeing a return. The SSA estimates that 3 out of 4 illegal immigrants possess a false SSN for the very purpose of going on payroll.

In fact, Social Security would've been bankrupted years ago if illegals weren't contributing an approx. $11 billion/yr without ever being able to collect, so I guess Jose illegal is funding Joe American's retirement.

 

[Maga]

I know of many company's that get away with just that. No tax no tracks, don't be fooled by inaccurate information that gathered with the specific goal to fit a narritive.

 

[Maga]

Were talking about 10s of thousands of small company's hundreds maybe. It isn't hard to run a cash business with 20 employees

 

[Maga]

Even by the numbers your 70% still 10 million whom aren't and I assure you that 70% is more like 40-50 maybe. Also now you have these illegals viting in your elections having no business doing so

 

[helltoupee]

Were talking about 10s of thousands of small company's hundreds maybe. It isn't hard to run a cash business with 20 employees

So these construction companies are paying all these guys under the table and are unable to deduct labor as an expense on their P&L?

 

[Maga]

https://www.gao.gov/mobile/products/HEHS-95-133