yeah i love john wayne parrs cmt bro.I think its cool they use 4 ounce gloves. I usually watch my muay thai on that channel muay ties. I honestly dont see alot of great punching on there. I see alot of the traditional stance. It seems the knees,kicking and clinching stifle the punchers alot.
well I remember @Azam posting a kyokushin vid of the 1-2 low kick combination. He said thats where the dutch got it. Also holzken does throw the spinning back kick from time to time. I dont think most dutch guys look like thais because they barely use the teep.
well buakaw uses it well. The teep is a staple of muay thai. If you arent using it like a jab, its not really muay thai. I doubt dutch kickboxers get their spinning shit from anything but karate.
Again it depends on the gym and the instructor, a lot of Kyokushin techniques and training methods can be found in some Dutch Kickboxing gyms, mixed together with the western boxing and thai boxing techniques.
A lot of the punch-kick combos from Dutch fighters look more like Kyokushin than Muay Thai, especially when it's combos involving several punches and low kicks to the inside and outside of the leg. For example straight left + right hook + inside leg kick + outside leg kick is a typical Kyokushin combo. Nieky Holzken indeed has a background in Dutch Muay Thai, but he also uses a lot of western boxing combos and Kyokushin type of combos. Also look at how he throws some of his jumping knees from the spot without using his hands to grab, that's also something you see a lot in Kyokushin (maybe also in Muay Thai though, but I'd tend to think they usually clinch and push their knee through instead of jumping in the air from the spot). Same with his spinning kicks to the body and head, it looks a lot more like Kyokushin than Muay Thai.
Look at the fight at 3.38 for example, lots of hand + inside and outside low kick combos, it looks a lot like Kyokushin combos, also quite a few spinning kicks to the body. And then look at the hook kick to the back of the leg at 4.10. That's a trademark Kyokushin technique
You can also see a lot of Muay Thai techniques from him: like the way he throws his teep, how he quickly grabs the head + knee (obviously as proper clinching isn't really allowed in KB), also some kicks he throws from his front leg by switching legs first.
But to me this is why fighters like Holzen are so interesting to watch, it's a great blend of the best of all worlds: Kyokushin + Western Boxing + Muay Thai.
iam not sure if those combos are only in kyukushin though. in my muay thai gym (germany) we use very similar combos and also spin kicks. my coaches also use more of a boxing stance than a traditional stance. according to me instructor he learned everything in thailand where he spent most of his training. oh yeah and the flying knee without grabing the head is something i see relatively often tbh. he also told me that low kick combos like these are not uncommon at all in thailand. but if you wanna see more of kyukushin karate in kickboxing you should watch davit kiria and semmy shilt. these guys are so much more interesting to watch too because they use alot more karate techniques
Again it depends on the gym and the instructor, a lot of Kyokushin techniques and training methods can be found in some Dutch Kickboxing gyms, mixed together with the western boxing and thai boxing techniques.
A lot of the punch-kick combos from Dutch fighters look more like Kyokushin than Muay Thai, especially when it's combos involving several punches and low kicks to the inside and outside of the leg. For example straight left + right hook + inside leg kick + outside leg kick is a typical Kyokushin combo. Nieky Holzken indeed has a background in Dutch Muay Thai, but he also uses a lot of western boxing combos and Kyokushin type of combos. Also look at how he throws some of his jumping knees from the spot without using his hands to grab, that's also something you see a lot in Kyokushin (maybe also in Muay Thai though, but I'd tend to think they usually clinch and push their knee through instead of jumping in the air from the spot). Same with his spinning kicks to the body and head, it looks a lot more like Kyokushin than Muay Thai.
Look at the fight at 3.38 for example, lots of hand + inside and outside low kick combos, it looks a lot like Kyokushin combos, also quite a few spinning kicks to the body. And then look at the hook kick to the back of the leg at 4.10. That's a trademark Kyokushin technique
You can also see a lot of Muay Thai techniques from him: like the way he throws his teep, how he quickly grabs the head + knee (obviously as proper clinching isn't really allowed in KB), also some kicks he throws from his front leg by switching legs first.
But to me this is why fighters like Holzen are so interesting to watch, it's a great blend of the best of all worlds: Kyokushin + Western Boxing + Muay Thai.
oh and i wanted to share something interesting about the topic :
https://www.quora.com/How-similar-is-Muay-Thai-to-Dutch-kickboxing
please check out the comment from "chris price"
It's all blended my friend, techniques have been taken and shared left and right. 'Take the best of everything' should always be the approach.
Nice read, cheers. Although "Chris Price" mentions Jan Plas learning from Toshio Fujiwara at Mejiro Gym, whose coach was Kenji Kurosaki, who was the one fighter that lost out of the 3 fighters Mas Oyama sent to fight some Thais in 1964 in Thailand (he was supposed to only coach but replaced their 3rd fighter who had to go back to Japan as the fights got rescheduled several times and his visa ran out). Kenji Kurosaki then heavily studied Muay Thai and kind of invented Japanese Kickboxing, a mix between Kyokushin and Muay Thai. It goes in circles
I dont think dutch kickboxing is very close to boxing. The stanc is totally different and their use of the jab is not the same. Also the kickboxers dont have the boxers defense which is one of the most important parts of boxing.yeah i heard about that
but the birth of japanese kickboxing has quite a few controversies
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/t...versies-with-muay-thai.2597243/#post-88602121
they do make some good points there
but i still dont get how the styles of non thai muay thai fighters can be so close to the dutch style and they not having any karate experience. joseph valtelini is a good example of someone who is dutch style and using a muay thai arsenal. i also spoke to a few old dutch Kickboxers that have been doing it for years and could see how dutch kickboxing changed to become alot more boxing oriented and very close to muay thai overall.
Can you please explain the differences of the stance? plus they do "shell up" alot
sure boxers usually stand more bladed, while kickboxers stand square with their chest and hips facing their opponent so they can do all the muay thai stuff, like launching a round kick,checking. I've heard it said kickboxers use their shoulders more for their punches while boxers use their feet more
