let's stop the nonsense. Kickboxers beat the shit out of karate fighters 10 out of 10 times and twice on sundays. We've already been through this over and over. SHogun vs Machida (yeah twice!), etc... Karate fighters are busy doing katas whereas kickboxers/muay thai fighters are busy chopping trees down with there legs. Karate FIghters look like ballet dancers whove never seen combat when they enter the ring or cage against kickboxers/muay thai fighters. You now know why Wonderboys father wanted no part of til. Stephens father was trying to duck til every way he could. but you cant escape the reckoning and a reckoning there will be. I was taught karate when i was a kid. It was all bullshit. I thought I knew how to fight until a kid with no training beat the shit out of me. That's how Stephen tomson is gonna feel against Darren Til. Til by schoolyard beatdown. fuck karate.