Ken Shamrock vs Sam Adkins

Discussion in 'Worldwide MMA Discussion' started by Hellhammer84, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. infidelkastro

    infidelkastro Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    809
    No thats Scott
     
  2. Idonotbelieveit

    Idonotbelieveit winning

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    18,362
    Likes Received:
    3,442
    I agree and new fans don't know how good he was
    Most think he was overrated and the bum who got beat by Tito
    Prime ken was an animal
     
  3. chiefwiggum

    chiefwiggum Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2003
    Messages:
    7,393
    Likes Received:
    3,475
    Location:
    Omaha,NE
    I think that’s because his downfall spanned a couple decades.
    Had several odd stoppages and fights as well that didn’t look right.
    Anyways. Always a fan.
     
  4. Idonotbelieveit

    Idonotbelieveit winning

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    18,362
    Likes Received:
    3,442
    He did have a few rich and fujita
    But not fixed imo
    Ken rich he was going for rolling leg lock ala a famous move from his teacher funaki used to pull off but his knees are shot
    Fujita fight he burned him self out with 2 weeks training for the fight . He looked good too
    Kimbo I have no words
     
    shinobimusashi and chiefwiggum like this.
  5. Hellhammer84

    Hellhammer84 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    394
    Likes Received:
    296
    I think we all tend to wish that Kimbo fight was a work. Ken has never seemed to have lady luck on his side, even at his peak but that was just so hard to see. I'd be happier if it legit did come out to be a work
     
    arrmike likes this.
  6. arrmike

    arrmike Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2007
    Messages:
    4,211
    Likes Received:
    524
    Location:
    Pasadena
    And the Sakuraba fight. And Royce 3.

    In both cases, the stoppage was ok but I can’t figure out why he reacted the way he did during the fights.
     
  7. Hellhammer84

    Hellhammer84 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    394
    Likes Received:
    296
    That Mike Bourke fight as well
     
  8. Noko

    Noko Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2016
    Messages:
    357
    Likes Received:
    188
    Location:
    fresno ca
    Looks like Mark Kerr
     
    TheGZA likes this.
  9. mkt

    mkt Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    12,529
    Likes Received:
    3,943
    Yeah, maybe they shared tips on lifting and "supplements," LOL
     
  10. Kinger85

    Kinger85 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2001
    Messages:
    18,869
    Likes Received:
    4,249
    Location:
    S'toon, Sask
    the message boards that night were so busy, waiting for results to come in.
     
    shinobimusashi and TheGZA like this.
  11. chiefwiggum

    chiefwiggum Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2003
    Messages:
    7,393
    Likes Received:
    3,475
    Location:
    Omaha,NE
    His fight with sakuraba. And the latest Royce fight. That actually bothered me.
    He wanted this fight so bad and feigned a nut shot.
    I’ve been hit in the balls Dozens and dozens of times. He tried to flop for the ref and play dead imo.
    Yeah he loOked good against fujita and I think Otsuka
    And when he cornered Mezger against sakuraba was odd .
    Sure It was fucked up. But no need to send him Back to the locker room.
    Mezger was the better fighter that night. It was his night.
     
  12. gono btw

    gono btw Rounds...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    5,418
    Likes Received:
    8,036
    Mezger vs SAKU was a close and tough to score fight imo
     
  13. Achilles00

    Achilles00 Cleveland's Finest

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2002
    Messages:
    3,844
    Likes Received:
    234
    Location:
    the sewers
    By '03 I think Ken was spent. He was never the same after the first Tito fight. I know he worked Kimo over, but that's not saying a whole lot. I've always been a fan, and I credit Ken with sparking my interest in MMA and I'll always idolize him to some extent, but once his natural athleticism started deteriorating he couldn't keep up with anyone anymore. I mean, he strikes me as a guy who was simply stronger, tougher, and more athletic than most other fighters. He had a limited skill set when most people didn't have any real skill set. But once he couldn't just bully guys anymore, his career fell apart. I think one of his saddest fights was against Pedro Rizzo, who just walked right though him.
     
  14. gono btw

    gono btw Rounds...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    5,418
    Likes Received:
    8,036
    Hmmm...I actually have a lil bit more hespect for his skillset...

    When you think about it, this was a guy, a complete rookie, who went to
    Funaki´s gym knowing very little about the ground game, but then
    went on to work on it to the point where he became a force in early Pancrase.

    This same guy, later, managed to neutralize Beast´s wrestling [ok, not in
    his physical prime, but still...]

    That´s impressive, imo.
     
  15. ThunderL1ps

    ThunderL1ps Black Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    6,639
    Likes Received:
    2,985
    What do you think would have happened to Ken if he fought Igor Vovchancyn? They were suppose to fight, then Tra Telligman stepped in as a replacement.

    I think Ken would have gassed trying to control Igor or maybe gone for an ankle lock and ate some Igor bombs for his troubles.
     
    Typrune Goatley likes this.
  16. Achilles00

    Achilles00 Cleveland's Finest

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2002
    Messages:
    3,844
    Likes Received:
    234
    Location:
    the sewers
    In the early days, he was impressive. But by 2003 the sport had changed tremendously and his skill set was no longer elite. That, and his body was starting to break down, so he was unable to bully his opponents. 1996 was a different story, obviously.
     
  17. gono btw

    gono btw Rounds...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    5,418
    Likes Received:
    8,036
    ah ...by 2003, his age was a whoopin 39... His decline had naturally lil to do with the evolution of the sport or his skill set.

    Realistically, he was no longer in his physical prime by the time he signed with Pride.

    Heck, he even had some stroke symptoms vs Fujita...
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2018
  18. chiefwiggum

    chiefwiggum Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2003
    Messages:
    7,393
    Likes Received:
    3,475
    Location:
    Omaha,NE
    You’re probably right. I haven’t seen the fight in over a decade. I thought guy won the fight everywhere and I thought he clearly won.
    There were no overtime’s and a winner had to be decided. That’s not what happened. Shamrock made guy quit which was lame.

    Fair or not. Saku winning was the best result as we got to see saku vs Royce.
     
    Typrune Goatley and gono btw like this.
  19. Idonotbelieveit

    Idonotbelieveit winning

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    18,362
    Likes Received:
    3,442
    Ken was always elite
    He hung with his teachers funaki and suzuki
    He got old
    And he taught frank cacc
     
    shinobimusashi likes this.
  20. Idonotbelieveit

    Idonotbelieveit winning

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    18,362
    Likes Received:
    3,442
    Vs fujita probably most evolved ken version but just not trained
    He trained 2 weeks for that fight
    He out wrestled fujita was Olympic level in greco
     

Share This Page