Karyn Bryant: Colby's racist; I'm married to a white guy

[Beta Wolf]

Thats yo daddy!

Damn straight, I am a squeaky-voiced Jewish kid, and I'm going to fix the Israel-Palestine conflict and the opioid epidemic real good.

Seriously, though, I can't tell from your wording if you're just trying to debunk evolution, or something. How far apart are we here? Theories aren't predictions in the sense of being the same as a hypothesis; they have predictive power but are explanatory and based on repeatable facts (whereas a hypothesis is a prediction in the sense of being an educated guess).

In "theory of mind" of mind, though, "theory" is just a juxtaposition against "practice". Having a grasp of theory of mind is like having a grasp of theory of music (and all humans have a grasp of theory of mind; it's the ability to realize that other people have thoughts that differ from yours, no more or less, and you acquire it very early in life). It's neither a hypothesis nor a prediction.

 

[exHeavyHippie]

http://www.debbyirving.com/qa/are-prejudice-bigotryand-racism-the-same-thing/

Prejudice is when a person negatively pre-judges another person or group without getting to know the beliefs, thoughts, and feelings behind their words and actions. A person of any racial group can be prejudiced towards a person of any other racial group. There is no power dynamic involved.

Bigotry is stronger than prejudice, a more severe mindset and often accompanied by discriminatory behavior. It’s arrogant and mean-spirited, but requires neither systems nor power to engage in.

Racism is the system that allows the racial group that’s already in power to retain power. Since arriving on U.S. soil white people have used their power to create preferential access to survival resources (housing, education, jobs, food, health, legal protection, etc.) for white people while simultaneously impeding people of color’s access to these same resources.Though "reverse racism" is a term I sometimes hear, it has never existed in America. White people are the only racial group to have ever established and retained power in the United States.

My opinion, He is a stupid bigot.

 

[Beta Wolf]

http://www.debbyirving.com/qa/are-prejudice-bigotryand-racism-the-same-thing/

My opinion, He is a stupid bigot.

That definition of "racism" is bullshit for the simple reason that that's not how anybody uses it. A SYSTEM of racism, or institutionalized racism, requires power, but a simple attitude of hatred against other races is described by almost everybody as a "racist" attitude, and this requires no power. No dictionary defines "racist" as ONLY being applicable to people in power. A poor black guy can definitely be "reverse" racist against whites, Asians, Hispanics, whatever. Racism simply becomes much more harmful if a racist has power.

"Capitalist" technically or originally means somebody who owns capitalist means of production, i.e., a factory, but in practice, we call rednecks in trailer parks who hate socialism "capitalists".

 

[exHeavyHippie]

....but in practice, we call rednecks in trailer parks who hate socialism "capitalists".

Who is we, exactly?

 

[Beta Wolf]

Who is we, exactly?

Speakers of the English language.

Oxford English Dictionary:

Capitalist

ADJECTIVE

• Supporting or based on the principles of capitalism.

Edit: Note that it doesn't say, "owners of capital".

Re-edit: The Oxford and other dictionaries have multiple definitions, including ones that limit "capitalist" to owners of capital. I prefer that original definition and think it would be better if we used it, but nevertheless, countless laymen who don't have a factory will describe themselves as having capitalist views.

The same holds for "racists"; most of the people described as having racist views do not have power. In fact, because racism is a function of ignorance, the people who have power in 2017 are much more likely to be exploiting the fears of poor racists than to be racists themselves.

 

[GunnerySarge]

Damn straight, I am a squeaky-voiced Jewish kid, and I'm going to fix the Israel-Palestine conflict and the opioid epidemic real good.

Seriously, though, I can't tell from your wording if you're just trying to debunk evolution, or something. How far apart are we here? Theories aren't predictions in the sense of being the same as a hypothesis; they have predictive power but are explanatory and based on repeatable facts (whereas a hypothesis is a prediction in the sense of being an educated guess).

In "theory of mind" of mind, though, "theory" is just a juxtaposition against "practice". Having a grasp of theory of mind is like having a grasp of theory of music (and all humans have a grasp of theory of mind; it's the ability to realize that other people have thoughts that differ from yours, no more or less, and you acquire it very early in life). It's neither a hypothesis nor a prediction.

I am not trying to debunk anything, Just not in my paygrade to do that, i am just engaging in a little critical back and forth.


My whole point is that, it is impossible to know the thought process of an individual who holds a certain belief. It cannot be done. It makes it even worse to generalize it.

Colby may very well be a racist, or may not.

For example, Colby shared a room with Jon Jones in college. Many racists would not accept that and request another room. Some racists would not care and still bunk. Those are already 2 different thought processes.

 

[CroCopsLHK]

I'm not racist! I have plenty of black friends!!

 

[Fluffernutter]

Chris Weidman once justified comments about Latinos/as because he has a Puerto Rican wife.

Eric Banna?

 

[Beta Wolf]

My whole point is that, it is impossible to know the thought process of an individual who holds a certain belief. It cannot be done. It makes it even worse to generalize it.

If I punch you in the balls repeatedly while telling you I hate you, you can guess at my thought process: I hate you and have aggressive feelings toward you. I might be acting that way for another reason, and you can never tell 100%, but by the same token, you can never be 100% sure there isn't a leprechaun behind you.

You are the one making an extreme generalization (you can never know the thought process of someone, even when he displays it by his actions or explicitly tells you his thought process).

Colby may very well be a racist, or may not.

Colby probably isn't a "racist" the way most people would mean it. He's just an idiot who said some racially charged things to get attention, and had it backfire on him.

 

[GunnerySarge]

If I punch you in the balls repeatedly while telling you I hate you, you can guess at my thought process: I hate you and have aggressive feelings toward you. I might be acting that way for another reason, and you can never tell 100%, but by the same token, you can never be 100% sure there isn't a leprechaun behind you.

You are the one making an extreme generalization (you can never know the thought process of someone, even when he displays it by his actions or explicitly tells you his thought process).



Colby probably isn't a "racist" the way most people would mean it. He's just an idiot who said some racially charged things to get attention, and had it backfire on him.

You lost me at leprechauns. And yes you may be acting that way for a different reason: mental instability. See how easy that is.

 

[Da Boss]

Btw, if you were old enough you’d remember Karyn as an MTV VJ.

Yep those were the days....

 

[BigTruck]

Btw, if you were old enough you’d remember Karyn as an MTV VJ.

Fuck I'm old I remember that and I haven't watched MTV in like 20 years. She got a lot hotter with age. She's hot as fuck to me and her husband looks like a complete tool.

 

[Beta Wolf]

You lost me at leprechauns. And yes you may be acting that way for a different reason: mental instability. See how easy that is.

A big dog instead of leprechauns, then. Is that better? The point is you're never 100% certain of anything, if you want to follow Cartesian philsophy, but you can be certain enough that functionally, there's no difference.

And OK, but you're taking the example too literally. If someone is violent, mental instability might be involved, sure. That's not the point of the example. If I wear a Led Zeppelin shirt, play Led Zeppelin music all day, and tell people I like Led Zeppelin all the time, while being a sane person, I probably like Led Zeppelin. Of course I could be lying for some weird reason, but in your daily life, you would assume that I liked Led Zeppelin and behave accordingly.

Speaking of mental instability, why do we even have psychologists if we can "never know" the thought process of someone? Why do courts accept the testimony of mental health doctors on whether or not someone is, say, psychopathic? Because we can make educated guesses, and with enough evidence, the probability of being right gets closer and closer to 100%. Again, there are people who get paid to analyze thought processes both on an individual and mass scale, with much better accuracy than random chance.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Dis bitch, she fucked a Shogun and a Ninja. Fucking hates the Brazilian race

 

[DC23]

Karyn just trying to jump into the action head first without thinking to try and get some publicity. Bless her.

 

[progressmusic]

She used racist in the wrong context here but it doesn't change the underlying meaning of what she said. That statement wasn't racist since Brazilian isn't a race, but it was a bigoted statement, from a bigot. I think her point is this mass generalization and bigotry is disgusting and bad for the sport. I agree

 

[progressmusic]

That definition of "racism" is bullshit for the simple reason that that's not how anybody uses it. A SYSTEM of racism, or institutionalized racism, requires power, but a simple attitude of hatred against other races is described by almost everybody as a "racist" attitude, and this requires no power. No dictionary defines "racist" as ONLY being applicable to people in power. A poor black guy can definitely be "reverse" racist against whites, Asians, Hispanics, whatever. Racism simply becomes much more harmful if a racist has power.

"Capitalist" technically or originally means somebody who owns capitalist means of production, i.e., a factory, but in practice, we call rednecks in trailer parks who hate socialism "capitalists".[/QUOTE
Think you are confusing racism with bigotry, which are similar but slightly different.

 

[Beta Wolf]

Think you are confusing racism with bigotry, which are similar but slightly different.

I think you're confusing a definition created rather recently by people with an ideological bent with the definition used by the general populace of English speakers (also, all dictionaries; look up Oxford and Merriam-Webster really quickly before responding).

 

[NationWideNinja]

Lol this is gonna get the backward cap and baggy long shorts wearing shertards triggered.

 

[MEAN357]

it was some racist shit get over it you basement dwelling neckbeard stormfront fuckboys. just because YOU dont think its racist dont mean it aint racist. Let anyone slightly brown say anything about white ppl and watch you all lose your fuckin mind.


TLDR eat a sack of baby dicks