JUSTICE LEAGUE v.6 (Lowest Grossing DCEU Film; Henry Cavill Shaves Mustache)

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If you have seen JUSTICE LEAGUE, how would you rate it?

  1. 10 - Excellent

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  2. 9 - Great

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  3. 8 - Good

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  4. 7 - Pretty Good

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  5. 6 - Decent

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  6. 5 - Average

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  7. 4 - Poor

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  8. 3 - Bad

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  9. 2 - Terribad

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  10. 1 - Abysmal (Explain)

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    Update: November 16, 2017

    Dragonlord’s Review of JUSTICE LEAGUE
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    Bottom Line: Clunky, generic and doesn’t flow smoothly, Justice League is adequately entertaining but far from the excellence the world’s greatest superhero team-up deserves and could have been.

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    Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was a mess because Warner Bros. rushed to catch up with Marvel Studios and so stuffed what should have been a Man of Steel sequel with a plethora of characters and inserted, and ultimately wasted, different iconic storylines from the comic books (Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns). Coupled with Zack Snyder’s dour and joyless storytelling, BvS deservedly got panned by critics and audience alike.

    Warner Bros. knew it had to course correct the direction of the DC Extended Universe. WB knew at that time that Snyder with his “dark, metallic visual style and grim, brooding, muscular-emo sensibility” was not a good fit for their brand, let alone be the one to shepherd the rest of the DCEU movies. But the studio didn’t have the time to search for a new writer or director without delaying the production and so bit the bullet (and to save face from the public) and proceeded with Snyder at the helm for Justice League.

    Due to his daughter’s death, Snyder took some time off and Joss Whedon was brought in to finish post-production. WB used this opportunity to cut off Snyder’s power as he will now have less creative input in the direction of the DCEU going forward. WB spent a massive $25 million on extensive reshoots that lasted two months (average reshoots range from $6 million to $10 million). And so after knowing the history of the production and behind-the-scenes drama, has WB transformed Justice League into a winner? Eh. It’s not a home run but it’s not a trainwreck either.

    Justice League is about Batman recruiting a team of superheroes to save the Earth against an alien invasion led by Steppenwolf from Apokalips who seeks out three MacGuffins, Mother Boxes, scattered all over the world. The story is generic as they come, no different from most of the other superhero movies out there, but it is the execution that counts which Justice League is a bit lacking.

    The first half of the film is clunky and the flow of the movie doesn’t run smoothly. WB’s foolish decision to not introduce these characters in their own solo movies bites them here as the film drags a little due to giving these new characters background origins as well as updating what’s happening with the existing main characters. Lois Lane (Amy Adams) and Martha Kent’s (Diane Lane) scenes in the first hour were momentum killers.

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    Among the new characters properly introduced, the Flash (Ezra Miller) almost steals the show not only with his comedic awkwardness and wide-eyed, gee-whiz enthusiasm but also for the fantastic feats from his super-speed. But traditional Barry Allen fans might not like this new version of the Flash. They also gave him Barry a non-fighter, scaredy-cat persona to justify why he can't just stab Steppenwolf's face with Diana's sword 500 times in one second. Aquaman (Jason Momoa) is a bore when he just grimace and broods early on but becomes more fun when he lets his wild side loose. Cyborg (Ray Fisher) is bland but amiable and is just there to make the team’s job easier since he has a connection to the MacGuffin. Mera was a badass and actress Amber Heard looked smoking hot.

    Coming off from the success of her solo movie, Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) continues to be a bright spot. Her bracelet bouncing prowess during the terrorist attack was dope. In what may be Ben Affleck’s last performance as the Caped Crusader, Batman is pretty good in here but less cool in some ways and more quip-friendly.

    The main villain Steppenwolf (voiced and motion-captured by Ciaran Hinds) is a dull CGI villain. Though he gets to kill a lot of people and beat up the Justice League, he has no charisma, likes to sprouts cliché lines and his motivation is so unimaginative. He's so generic, you'll grow bored by the fourth time he appears. It doesn’t help that his CGI face looks fake and takes you out of it.

    Snyder and Whedon’s styles are so distinctly different that you can practically guess correctly which scenes are from Snyder and which are from Whedon. The film is visually gorgeous thanks to Snyder but wished he would lay off the pretentious slow-motion shots in uneventful scenes like the thugs being arrested for harassing an ethnic-looking store owner.

    The action looks terrific most of the time. But some of the action – Wonder Woman and Aquaman battling Steppenwolf in particular - gets repetitive at the end and seemed to drag on forever to finish. The best part of the film which put a huge smile on my face was the awesome fight scene roughly at the one hour mark (see spoiler box below).

    The most ironic thing is the ending to Justice League is very similar to the climax of Whedon’s Avengers: Age of Ultron. But there is one critical flaw in JL’s ending and that is it felt so isolated with no media coverage, no government monitoring and only a few civilians were seen and in harm’s way. As formulaic as it is, you can’t have an epic save-the-world scenario without those elements. That’s one of the reasons why JL’s climax felt flat.

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    As much as BvS got it wrong, there were a lot of really cool scenes in that movie. Justice League doesn’t have a lot of highlight reel moments. Though there are less mistakes and blunders, Justice League feels safe and didn’t take enough risks with Snyder being shackled and Whedon unable to effectively create any big impact on the movie with the limited window he had.

    Danny Elfman did a good job with the score and I particularly loved it when he incorporated Tim Burton’s Batman theme and Richard Donner’s Superman theme in there. Wasn’t happy with the music he chose for the terrorist attack scene, reminded me of Elfman’s typical superhero score he prevalently used in the early 90s which made that terrorist attack scene feel too cartoony.

    There’s two post-credits scene. The first one, which I bet is from Whedon, is an awesomely fun scene that pays tribute to its comic book roots. The second post-credits scene is an exciting meeting between an old DCEU character and the debut of a popular comic book character.

    Does the film succeed in making me excited to watch the planned solo movies for the individual characters? It's a mixed feeling. Cyborg movie? Don't really care. Aquaman movie? Only if it's the wild and talkative Aquaman. If it's the brooding Aquaman, I fear we're going to get Conan the Barbarian (2011) at sea. Flash movie a.k.a. Flashpoint? If WB proceeds with the planned Flashpoint storyline, then the studio still doesn't have a clue what they're doing since you don't introduce a major altering storyline to a live-action universe that is just getting its feet wet.

    The most disappointing of it all is they cut out all the scenes of the seventh member of the Justice League despite being heavily promoted in their posters [1] [2], cover books [3], behind-the-scenes photo [4] and they even showed a clip [5] of this member in action.

    Overall, Justice League is adequately entertaining, albeit generic, with a few shining moments but seeing that this is the first live-action movie about DC Comics’ most iconic superhero group, you can’t help but feel that this could have been so much better.

    Rating: 6.5/10

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    The movie was sort of bleh for the first hour but things got a whole lot more exciting when they revived Superman and he started fighting the League. This is my favorite part of the movie by far. I was grinning like a kid when Superman’s eyes suddenly followed Flash’s movements and Barry's "oh shit" expression. Absolutely love Clark's response when Bruce told him the world needs him. "The world doesn't need you. Tell me. Do you bleed?" So awesome.

    The ending with Steppenwolf showing fear and swarmed by Parademons was a bit lame. It got even lamer when they were all teleported presumably back to Apokalips. They should have killed Steppenwolf. They probably spared his life so that Darkseid will be the one to kill him later as punishment for his failures.

    It would have had more dramatic effect (not to mention a nice surprise) if they didn't show Lois Lane prior to Alfred dropping her off at the monument, revealing that she is the "big guns" Batman was prepping for Superman.

    Secret identities aren't as sacred as they used to be. It's so weird that Aquaman is talking out loud about how Bruce Wayne is the Batman within earshot of the passerbys. How about Lois yelling "Clark" at Superman within a few feet from a policeman. Lastly, good luck explaining how Clark Kent turns out to be alive... at the same time Superman is resurrected.

    The beginning with the cellphone footage of Superman is so clear that it's from the reshoot because of the weird digitally altered face of Henry Cavill, who was under contract to not shave his mustache while filming Mission: Impossible 6.

    They intentionally gave the Flash a scaredy-cat persona because let's face it, he's the most powerful metahuman next to Superman. Barry could have killed all the Parademons in an instant and could have stabbed Steppenwolf's face hundreds of times before he knew what hit him.

    They also corrected Snyder's grim and depressing Superman by giving him a fun and friendlier side. In short, they finally got Superman right.

    When the team first spoke to a resurrected Superman, they should have just said, "Martha!" <45>

    I have mixed feelings about Batman being portrayed as weak and getting beat up by Parademons. On one hand, his coolness factor drops. On the other hand, it is also refreshing that they didn't try to put him over unrealistically. After all he is just a normal guy in a suit. Plus he also managed to kick some Parademons' butts in other scenes.

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    The first post-credits scene is just a super fun moment when Flash challenges Superman to a friendly race. The outcome is undecided as the screen cuts just as the race starts. In the comics, this has been one of the most discussed topic, who is faster - Superman or Flash? and on rare occasions they actually show them racing each other. So it was super cool that they decided to recreate this monumental moment in live-action. I'm guessing Whedon is responsible for this post-credits scene.

    The second post-credits scene shows Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg) has escape prison and puts an imposter in his place. Luthor is in a huge luxury ship and visited by Deathstroke. Deathstroke removes his helmet and shows a gray-haired Joe Manganiello. To counter the newly formed Justice League, Luthor proposes they form their own "league." And so the Injustice League is formed. The End. The biggest surprise here is how Lex Luthor was actually decently portrayed. Sinister and smug but not a clown.


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    10 Reasons for JUSTICE LEAGUE's Disappointing $94 Million U.S. Debut

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    Warner Bros. and DC Film’s Justice League made its long-awaited launch last week and it debut to a dismal $94 million at the U.S. box office. The film was tracking to open at $110-$120 million last October. Cut to the present, it couldn’t even crack the $100 million ceiling. Compared to Man of Steel ($116M), Batman v Superman ($166M), Suicide Squad ($133M) and Wonder Woman ($103M), Justice League has the lowest opening weekend for a DCEU film ever. This would be unfathomable five years ago.

    When The Avengers (2012) was released and everybody was losing their shit and declaring it to be the best comic book movie ever, the film had a whopping $207 million U.S. opening weekend and ended its theatrical run with $1.5 billion worldwide. People back then were saying that a live-action Justice League movie had a strong chance of beating The Avengers’ box office records, after all DC’s A-team was more popular and more well-known than Marvel’s “second-tier heroes.”

    So who or what is to blame for the poor box office performance despite the promise of DC’s most iconic superheroes all gathered in one movie. Putting aside the quality of the actual film, below is a list of reasons that contributed either in a major way or small way to why Justice League flopped at the box office.


    1. Post-Traumatic Snyder Disorder
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    A lot of people found Batman v Superman relentlessly bleak, joyless, overlong, disjointed and crushed by its grim and incoherent narrative. So when they learn that Justice League is from the same director that made BvS, the thought of revisiting Snyder’s world seemed so unappealing and tedious to them. When they see the dark aesthetics and slow-motion action in the JL trailers, they conclude that JL will be more of the same as BvS.

    With JL’s disappointing box office results, the general public is basically saying with their dollars that they don’t want to see a Zack Snyder handling the DCEU. The public actually told this to Warner Bros. with the poor box office performance of BvS last year but the studio refused to listen and now they’re paying the price… again. Even though it would cost them time and money to look for another director since they were already in pre-prodcution, not to mention the public humiliation, Warner Bros. should have just bit the bullet and replaced Synder.

    With a reported production budget of $300 million and P&A (print & advertising) cost at $150 million, Justice League is considered to be the 3rd most expensive movie ever made. Box office experts report that the film might end up losing $50 to $100 million after its theatrical run. Ouch.


    2. Batman v Superman was already like a Justice League movie
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    The reason why the gathering of DC’s most popular superheroes didn’t feel quite as special in Justice League because WB already spoiled that moment with Batman v Superman where the Trinity (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) met for the first time and battled Doomsday. The $166 million opening BvS received would have belonged to JL if the the Big Three didn’t meet already. Sure, JL featured Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg joining the team but the casuals didn’t really care much for these “2nd-rate characters” since WB never gave them a solo movie prior to this, hence, the public didn’t really know them or cared much about them.


    3. Rotten Tomatoes "cover-up" and score
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    Rotten Tomatoes has become a very popular review aggregation website to the general public. So when RT withheld its score for Justice League to promote their Facebook show See It/Skip It (they also withheld their scores for other movies even before this), the public mistakenly thought it meant that JL must be really bad due to the embargo since Warner Bros. has a minority stake in RT. That incident and along with the actual RT score of 40% discouraged a lot of moviegoers to seeing BvS.


    4. Poor word of mouth from the general public
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    Even if you take out RT and the critics out of the equation, the public word of mouth has been mixed. Half that have seen Justice League thought it was good but not great, and half thought it was just above average or decent. Not exactly encouraging to hear for those undecided moviegoers, nor is it compelling enough to make them buy a ticket.

    Five years ago when The Avengers came out, posters were singing its praises and raining down 9 and 10 star ratings like they were in a strip club. As of this writing, there’s barely any 9s and zero 10s so far in the Justice League ratings poll.


    5. Marketing too early causing Justice League fatigue
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    To assure the public that Justice League was not going to be as dark and gloomy as Batman v Superman, Warner Bros. invited the media on June 2016 for a sneak preview of a comical meeting between Bruce Wayne and Barry Allen and a scene where the team, except for Flash, disappears on Commissioner Gordon. WB then released the first official Justice League trailer to the general public at Comic-Con on July 2016, one year and four months before the film's release date. Since then, the public has been steadily bombarded with promos for the next 16 months which could have caused a Justice League fatigue among moviegoers.

    This is one of the problems with Warner Bros. handling of the DCEU, they’re always reacting, sometimes over-reacting, and don’t have enough overriding vision. Let’s take a look at how Marvel Studios is handling their marketing for Avengers: Infinity War. Aside from the sizzle reel shown to the Comic-Con attendants, they still haven’t released a single official trailer for Infinity War yet and that movie comes out in just five months.


    6. No Superman in promos
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    Superman is noticeably absent from most of the marketing promos and posters for Justice League. I actually applaud them for not spoiling Superman’s return, even though everybody who followed the movie’s progress knows he is in there. But the fact is that the presence of Superman in the trailers and posters could have enticed casual viewers to go watch the movie and give JL an extra $10-$15 million boost to its opening weekend. Not really important but the team photos from the posters sorely lacks the vibrant blue color from Superman’s costume as well as seeing the iconic character with the team (plus they badly need a bright green color from Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter).


    8. Thor: Ragnarok stealing Justice League's thunder
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    Thor: Ragnarok came out 2 weeks ago and, not only received tons of praises from critics and audience alike, but debut to a surprising $122 million ($28 million more than Justice League). If somebody said last year that Ragnarok would defeat JL at the box office, that person would be laughed at. A Justice League insider tells THR, "If a B character from Marvel shut downs and outperforms the A team from DC, that’s an embarrassment." Indeed.

    Ragnarok also earned $21.7 million on its 3rd weekend and possibly diverting ticket sales from JL. It’s also possible that casual moviegoers’ superhero fix have been met with Ragnarok and they’re no longer interested in seeing another superhero movie for the time being.

    It's funny looking back at an old interview Snyder made back in 2008 where he made this foot-in-the-mouth statement, "The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful. Thor, too! We’re on our second Hulk movie. And Iron Man — $300 million domestic box office on a second tier superhero!" And this one in 2011, "I’m like, really? Thor? Thor has a movie? [Laughter.] Really? I mean, come on."


    7. Steven Chbosky’s Wonder
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    Steven Chboksy’s drama Wonder starring Julia Roberts and Owen Wilson earned an impressive $27 million to land No. 2 at the weekend box office, stealing some of the Justice League’s ticket sales. Per THR, Lionsgate's marketing team aggressively targeted elementary schools, a move that is paying off, with higher-than-usual group ticket sales. Busloads of kids from school went on a field trip to see Wonder, which also meant that some of the parents didn't also get the chance to accompany their kids to watch Justice League. RJ Palacio’s New York Times bestseller tells the story of a child with Treacher Collins Syndrome trying to fit in at a new school. Wonder is produced by Marvel Studios. (No it’s not)


    9. Reports of post-production troubles
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    Due to a family tragedy, Snyder left Justice League on May 2017 and Warner Bros. assigned Joss Whedon, who was already brought in by the studio months ago to rework on the script, to finish post-production and film the reshoots. On July 2017, word got out that the massive reshoots cost $25 million (the average reshoot for this type of movie cost around $6 to $10 million). Henry Cavill's mustache was also an issue as he was filming Mission: Impossible 6 at the same time as the Justice League reshoots. Paramount refused to let Cavill shave his mustache, so WB had to spend millions just to digitally remove the facial hair in post.

    Soon, reports came in that WB has neutered Snyder and will no longer be a major creative influence for the DCEU. Near the JL release date, the negative buzz on Henry Cavill's CGI'd mouth began to circulate. All of this behind-the-scenes post-production drama and negativity could have influenced moviegoers into thinking that JL was going to be a disaster and not worth it to see at the cinemas.


    10. Seventh member was deleted from final cut
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    One of the reasons for Justice League’s stumble at the box office is the removal of all the scenes of the seventh member - Steve - in the actual movie despite being heavily promoted in their posters [1] [2], cover books [3], behind-the-scenes photo [4] and they even showed a clip [5] of this member in action. Snyder even teased Steve way back in 2015 when he tweeted a Justice League image with the slogan “Unite the Seven.” Such a shame, I for one would have liked to see war criminal and Marvel turncoat Steve kick some parademon butts.


    10.5. [Bonus] Some people thought it wasn’t happening or it’s not real
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    For years, @prod2821 kept telling posters that the Justice League movie is not happening and it’s not real. This might have affected a lot of the posters into believing that the movie is fake and influenced them to just watch The Punisher on Netflix instead. My "sources" tell me that San Antonio has the lowest ticket sales for Justice League among all the cities around the world.


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    Update: November 20, 2017

    JUSTICE LEAGUE Has Lowest DCEU Opening Ever with a Dismal $94 Million Debut


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    The world's most famous superheroes seemingly lost their powers over the weekend as Warner Bros. and DC Entertainment's big-budget Justice League opened to a sorely disappointing $94 million in North America, while a small feel-good movie named Wonder stole the box-office thunder with $27.1 million after galvanizing elementary school kids across the country.

    On Sunday, estimates showed Justice League debuting to $96 million, but the final number came in lower.

    Justice League posted the lowest domestic opening of any title in the DC Extended Universe, which has yet to match the consistent success of rival Marvel Studios. The superhero mashup is faring better overseas, where it debuted to $185.5 million from 65 markets, including $51.7 million in China, for a global bow of $281.5 million (it had been expected to take in $325 million-plus). The pic is doing notable business in Latin America, including Brazil, where it scored the biggest debut of all time ($14.2 million).

    In North America, Justice League had been tracking to bow to at least $110 million. Even that wouldn't have been a rousing start for a marquee superhero title intended to rival Marvel Studios' Avengers franchise by assembling together Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. (In 2012, The Avengers launched to a then-record $204.7 million domestically, followed by $191.3 million for Avengers: Age of Ultron in 2015).

    "Our path to box-office success is different than what we thought. Given the extremely lucrative Thanksgiving week, we have a chance to hold audiences and ultimately come in at a good level," says Jeff Goldstein, Warner Bros. president of domestic distribution.

    Justice League, dinged by poor reviews and a mediocre B+ CinemaScore, didn't come close to matching the $122.7 million domestic bow of Marvel's Thor: Ragnarok two weeks ago. It's the first time in history that two major studio superhero films have opened so close together (in summer, it is commonplace for tentpoles of all genres to open only a week apart). Internationally, Thor: Ragnarok opened ahead of Justice League in most regions.

    Justice League, playing in 4,051 North American theaters, stars Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, Ezra Miller, Jason Momoa, Amber Heard, Amy Adams, J.K. Simmons, Jesse Eisenberg and Willem Dafoe.

    Following the success of Wonder Woman, Warners heavily promoted Gadot's appearance in Justice League, but many females appear to be staying away. Males made up 63 percent of ticket buyers, according to PostTrak (that compares to 57 percent male for Thor).

    Wonder Woman opened to $103 million this summer. Among other DCEU titles, Zack Snyder's Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice debuted to $166 million domestically in 2016, while Suicide Squad took in $133.7 million that same year. The DCEU series kicked off in 2013 with Man of Steel's $116.6 million debut.

    Justice League was beset with challenges, most notably when Snyder turned over directing duties to Avengers helmer Joss Whedon in order to deal with a family tragedy. Whedon, who penned the Justice League script with Chris Terrio, oversaw extensive reshoots that resulted in the final production budget coming in between $250 million-$300 million.

    Deadline hears from credible financial sources who have sharp knowledge of Justice League‘s budget that if the film clears $700-$750 million global, after ancillaries, it will turn a profit, but not much. One source close to the film contends that global P&A (Prints & Advertising) is $100 million, but that’s ridiculous: Warner Bros. was introducing new characters on screen in Aquaman, Cyborg and the Flash, plus BvS and Suicide Squad had global P&A spends in the $150 million range. So, combined global P&A and production cost is at an estimated $450 millionM. Warner Bros. gets more from ancillary markets than other studios, and Justice League talent doesn’t cut in until profit.

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    Update: November 26, 2017

    JUSTICE LEAGUE Beaten by Pixar's COCO, Earns $40.7 Million on 2nd Weekend


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    Pixar's Coco is the latest title from the Disney animated empire to win the annual box-office turkey trot, posting a hearty five-day debut of $71.2 million from 3,987 theaters to score the fourth-best Thanksgiving opening of all time behind Toy Story 2, Frozen and Moana. That includes $49 million for the three-day weekend proper.

    Coco, about the popular Mexican holiday Dia de Los Muertos (Day of the Dead), was buoyed by a coveted A+ CinemaScore and a strong turnout among Hispanic moviegoers. Overseas, where it has already become the top-grossing film of all time in Mexico ($53.4 million), the animated event film took in another $30.7 million for a foreign tally of $82.2 million and $153.4 million globally.

    Between them, Disney Animation Studios and Pixar claim the top seven five-day Thanksgiving openings of all time, not accounting for inflation. Frozen (2013) is the record holder with $93.6 million, while last year's Moana sang its way to $82.1 million. Tangled took in $68.7 million in 2010, and The Good Dinosaur, $55.5 million in 2015. When adjusting for inflation, the 1999 Toy Story 2 supplants Frozen with nearly $141 million (unadjusted, Toy Story's five-day debut was $80.1 million).

    Warner Bros./DC’s Justice League wasn’t that far behind Coco on Thanksgiving, making $8.5M, however, their gap widened on Friday with the Zack Snyder-directed title earning $16.4 million. This puts the pic at a $40.7 million second FSS (-57%) and $59.7 million 5-day for a running total that’s just under $171.5 million.

    Justice League is running 10% ahead of Warner’s Thanksgiving hit a year ago Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them which churned a 3x multiple from its opening for a final cume of $234M. If Justice League can keep up that pace throughout December, it will end its stateside run at $257 million.

    Still, Disney/Marvel’s Thor: Ragnarok is still stealing away dollars from Justice League‘s bank account with the Son of Asgard threequel grossing $24 million over five-days. Fans wouldn’t accuse Thor of stealing: He’s just the better superhero movie.

    Despite competition from Coco, director Stephen Chbosky's Wonder got its fair share of families. The pic earned a strong $32 million from 3,172 theaters for the five days and $22.3 million for the three, bringing its 10-day domestic total to $69.4 million.

    Justice League is faring better overseas, where it won the weekend with $72.2 million from 66 markets to pass the $300 million mark and land at $481.3 million globally to date. Disney and Marvel's Thor, meanwhile, raced past the $500 million threshold internationally for a global total of $790.1 million

    Thanksgiving Box Office: 'Coco' Gobbles Up 'Justice League' With $71.2M; ‘Justice League’ At $59M+
     
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    Update: November 29, 2017

    New Report Details Warner Bros.' Greediness Led to JUSTICE LEAGUE Missteps


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    Justice League had a lot of enemies: a looming corporate merger, a family tragedy, an internal clash between light and dark themes. But its greatest enemy was time.

    Few people are happy with the finished project, which one insider called “a Frankenstein” made of the assembled parts favored by rotating executives and directors and which had the worst opening for a DC Comics-based movie in years. But several people who spoke to TheWrap said the decision to keep the film’s Nov. 17 release date was a mistake — one as plain as Superman’s face.

    According to TheWrap, members of Warner Bros. did approach the studio’s president Greg Silverman about removing director Zack Snyder from Justice League. The call came after Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was met with critical backlash and a fierce box office drop after its promising opening. The site’s source says DC President Jon Berg was ultimately sent to oversee Justice League for almost a year after budget concerns made higher-ups antsy.

    The report goes on to say Silverman was “quite harsh” to Snyder about Batman v Superman’s flop, but he was given another go at Justice League.

    “They were already in deep prep on ‘Justice League’ and it would have cost a fortune. There’s stickiness to a director because there’s so much cost to unstick him,” the insider explained. “Warners is a studio that almost to a fault always wants to project strength.”

    As work continued on Justice League, Warner Bros. is said to have stood by its original premiere date once reports went live about the company merging with AT&T. To move the release of such a film would have been viewed as a weakness, and Justice League had a lot to prove to audiences and business insiders.

    In December, Silverman stepped down as president of Warner Bros. Pictures, and was replaced by Toby Emmerich.

    Joss Whedon was then brought in to give the movie more levity under Snyder’s blessing, but things took a turn when tragedy struck the director. Snyder’s daughter died following a suicide attempt, and he ultimately chose to leave the project to focus on his loved ones as in-studio pressure continued to mount on Justice League. "It stopped being a good situation on any level,” The Wrap's source described.

    With Justice League now in the hands of Whedon, post-production and re-shoots on the film were quickly scheduled to get things in order. The Wrap’s source went so far as to say Warner Bros. executives Toby Emmerich and Kevin Tsujihara didn’t wish to push the movie’s release date as it might have risked their annual bonuses. The time-crunch ultimately forced the film together loosely, and its re-shoots even forced Superman's Henry Cavill to have his mustache digitally removed in post.

    New Report Details The Behind-the-Scenes Warner Bros. Drama That Led to 'Justice League'
     
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    Update: December 5, 2017

    Details on Will Beall's 2011 Convoluted and Bloated Draft for JUSTICE LEAGUE


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    Justice League could have turned out very differently: In a 2011 draft of the film obtained by TheWrap, Batman and Wonder Woman have a son, Aquaman is nowhere in sight, Darkseid enslaves Superman, and Hawkman and Green Lantern team up in space.

    The script, by Gangster Squad screenwriter Will Beall, nails the art of fan service. After a quick introduction on Darkseid’s hellish planet, Apokolips, we’re plunged into a stunning set piece between Batman, Superman, KGBeast, Killer Croc and Lex Luthor that includes a shark tank shattering on the upper floors of Lexcorp Tower in Metropolis. And it just gets more packed with heroes and villains from there.

    Many fans have expressed disappointed in the version of Justice League that Joss Whedon had to rush into theaters last month after original director Zack Snyder had to bow out amidst family tragedy.

    Beall’s draft predated the current DC cinematic universe, which began with 2013’s Man of Steel. In fact, Beall wrote it a year before Christopher Nolan completed his Batman trilogy with The Dark Knight Rises, and before Disney’s Marvel released The Avengers.

    Here are a few highlights from the script:

    • Though Steppenwolf is the lead villain in this year’s “Justice League,” Beall’s draft would have made his boss, Darkseid, the master of evil. That opening shark-tank battle ends with Desaad, one of Darkseid’s minions, killing Killer Croc and stealing Kryptonite that Luthor has just tried to buy from KGBeast, aka Anatoli Knyazev. At one point, Croc bites a shark.

    • While 2016’s “Batman v Superman” would pit the heroes against each other, the 2011 script imagined them as allies who know each others’ identities and have coffee at Metropolis Diner, where they chat about other DC superheroes like Diana (Wonder Woman), Green Lantern, Green Arrow and Aquaman. They soon travel to Central City to recruit Barry Allen, aka The Flash.

    • Amanda Waller and King Faraday run the Department of Metahuman Affairs and seize Killer Croc’s body. We also meet Abel Terrant (Tattooed Man), Copperhead, Barbara Minerva (Cheetah) and Solomon Grundy. Waller and Croc eventually met in 2016’s “Suicide Squad.”

    • In deep space, Green Lantern John Stewart and Thanagarian Katar Hol, aka Hawkman, engage in a cool action sequence inside a space-station nightclub as they try to stop Kanjar Ro from helping Dessad weaponize the Kryptonite. The first act ends with Superman kidnapped by Steppenwolf and the Parademons and taken back to Apokolips.

    • By the start of the second act, Batman goes to Themyscira to recruit Diana, with whom he has a romantic history.

    • Barry Allen, Green Lantern John Stewart and Diana have a meeting with Wayne inside the Batcave, which has several generations of Batmobiles and Batsuits, as well as Mr. Freeze’s Cyro-Gun, the Scarecrow’s Mask, and The Penguin’s Umbrella.

    • John Stewart returns to OA (Green Lantern headquarters) and finds the dead bodies of his fellow Lanterns: Katma Tui, Kilowag, Guy Gardner, Salakk, and Tomar-Re. The entire Lantern Corps has been massacred by Darkseid.

    • With the Lantern Corps out of the way, Darkseid invades earth at the midpoint of the script — with help from a brainwashed Superman. As he does in Frank Miller’s “The Dark Knight Returns” and “Batman v Superman,” Wayne dons special armor to fight the Man of Steel. Diana manages to release Superman from Dessad’s mind control and Superman rejoins the League in the fight against Darkseid.

    • Superman goes through a Boom Tube and travels eleven years into the future to find that Darkseid has wiped out 80 percent of the Earth’s population. Diana leads the last of the human resistance with an aged and grey-haired Bruce Wayne as her second-in-command. They have a son named Clark Wayne, and one surprising member of the resistance is Lex Luthor.

    • The Future Batman leads a dozen fighters known as Batman’s Berzerkers. They include Slade Wilson (Deathstroke) George Harkness (Captain Boomerang), Helena Bertinelli (Huntress) and Barbera Minerva (Cheetah). Comics fans might also recognize this team as the members of Suicide Squad — though not exactly the Suicide Squad of last year’s film. The last of the resistance is headquartered inside Superman’s Fortress of Solitude.

    • Future Lex Luthor figures out a way to send Barry Allen back eleven years in time, partly using Darkseid’s Boom Tube. Future Flash goes back in time to before Darkseid’s invasion, and dies in younger self’s arms — after warning of the terrible future.

    • Diana, Bruce, Barry and Green Lantern travel to Apokolips and rescue Superman before Desaad can take over his mind, and the reunited Justice League battle Darkseid and his forces on Apokolips to stop the invasion of Earth. The entire Lantern Corps, along with the Amazons from Themyscira, join in the battle.

    • The script ends with Mercy Graves planning a presidential campaign for Lex Luthor and Luthor receiving a message from Future Luthor telling him of Superman’s secret identity: Clark Kent.
    Had Beall’s script gone forward, Darkseid would have made his theatrical debut before Marvel’s somewhat similar Thanos, the villain of next year’s Avengers: Infinity War. Beall’s script earned him a two-picture deal, and Variety reported that Ben Affleck considered directing it even before he signed on to play Batman for Zack Snyder.

    The ‘Justice League’ That Might Have Been: We’ve Seen the Script (Exclusive)
     
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    Will Beall's draft sounds terrible for the first movie for the DCEU. Too confusing for non-DC readers/viewers. Too convoluted. Too much fan-service. This fits better in the standalone DC animated movie line-up.
     
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    "In deep space, Green Lantern John Stewart and Thanagarian Katar Hol, aka Hawkman, engage in a cool action sequence inside a space-station nightclub as they try to stop Kanjar Ro from helping Dessad weaponize the Kryptonite"

    Not sure if I'm intrigued or amused
     
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    That sounds batshit... way too much going on. Although it would have been cool to see them try to film it.

    Is it really that difficult to come up with a compelling storyline involving only the core JL members? I mean, the DC animated universe seems to have done it multiple times...
     
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    This sounds like someone took every DC character, put them in a blender, and added some extra helpings of fan service.

    Wayyyy too convoluted.
     
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    Jesus fucking Christ, that makes BvS look like a cinematic masterpiece!:eek:
     
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    COmpletely agree. "DC Animated" was my first thought.
     
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    That's about 3 movies worth of stuff on the back of 5-6 other movies. With that said, I'm not against it.
     
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    Very uneven movie. Some funny moments, but overall it was just completely devoid of pzazz. Only "fuck-yeah" moment was when

    Superman fought Justice League. Especially when he almost caught Flash.

    But the reason for that fight was downright stupid, as was the fact that

    Superman could have solo'd Steppenwolf easily. Had he not went off to smooch Lois Lane in a cornfield for no reason whatsoever the end battle would have been pretty undramatic.

    Really think they need to rebalance the power levels for the characters in future JL films. This movie made all JL members except Superman seem like b*tches, and superman OP as hell.

    I kinda liked BvS better. At least it had some gravitas.
    Justice League doesn't come close to matching Gotg2, Spiderman: Homecoming or Thor: Ragnarok. Feels like Marvel is on a different level.
     
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    oh yeah, I meant to ask this thread about that, did I miss something?

    Cyborg just randomly shorted out one time in the whole movie and his robotics just happened to target Superman when he happened to still be out of it from being brought back to life? Did Fleetwood Mac or Darkseid have some control over Cyborg via the motherbox?
     
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    Cyborg's defense system taking over was just a convenient plot device to provoke Superman into attacking them.
     
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    That's what I thought but wanted to see if I missed an attempt at least at logic behind it
     
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    Finally got around to watching it and thankfully I didn't percieve it as the disaster I feared it might be. It wasn't a classic by any means but I still enjoyed it very much for what it was... a mindless popcorn blockbuster with super powered beings knocking the fuck out of each other. Aquaman's surfer dude persona was a misstep imo but I loved Ezra Miller as The Flash and thought Ray Fisher was fine as Cyborg (the cgi I heard so many bitching about looked fine to me too). My opinion on the others remained unchanged, Gadot: mesmerizing, Affleck: surprisingly good and Cavill: a total plank. All in all and all things considered this was a step up and much more fun than BvS.
     
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