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Closest anyone has come to being the killer Jordan was is maybe Kobe and definitely Curry
Just lol if you think Jordan would go 6 for 6 against Lebrons finals opponents
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LeBronze is currently ranked #9 all time in the official all time rankings.
Doubtful he wins another title unless he goes to GShowers or gets other stars forming another safe space team.
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Magic wasn't in his prime in 91Two things to get out of the way first:
- Can't believe you're talking about teammates when LeBron has set the standard for demanding and bouncing around from superteam to superteam
- I'm one of the few who do buy into the idea that LeBrick would be just as much if not more effective in the handcheck era that had illegal defense on the books. I still don't think he'd be as good as Jordan
Now, moving on, you're talking about general eras when the discussion is about individual teams and players
Argue over which era you think was stronger, the expansion 90s or LeBron's era where he's essentially been given 6x free rides through the special needs East en route to the Finals
I'll however return to the argument about the Finals teams MJ and LeBron have faced. MJ is known for denying some of the best players in NBA history even a single ring. The 90s is known as being perhaps the most stacked decade in NBA history in terms of top-heavy superstar talent in their prime (MJ, Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Barkley, Stockton, Drexler, Ewing, Miller, Pippen, Payton, Mourning, and to a lesser degree Kemp, Mutombo, KJ, Dominique, Mullin, etc). The only legend of this MJ era that was able to break through and steal a ring was Hakeem (and Drexler as Hakeem's sidekick), but you have multiple top players in NBA history who were just brutally dismissed by Jordan in the Finals
1991: Prime Magic (top 10 all-time) - Jordan in 5
1992: Prime Drexler (top 40 all-time) - Jordan in 6
1993: Prime Barkley (top 20 all-time) - Jordan in 6
1996: Prime Payton (top 50 all-time) - Jordan in 6
1997: Prime Stockton/Malone (both top 20 all-time) - Jordan in 6
1998: Prime Sotckton/Malone (both top 20 all-time) - Jordan in 6
Conversely...
2007: Prime Duncan (top 10 all-time) - Duncan in 4
2011: Prime Dirk (top 20 all-time) - Dirk in 6
2012: neither Durant or Westbrook in prime - LeBron in 5
2013: Duncan past prime - LeBron in 7
2014: Duncan past prime - Duncan in 5
2015: Prime Curry (will likely go down top 30) - Curry in 6
2016: Injured Curry - LeBron in 7
You simply cannot argue the strength of Jordan's Finals schedule and the results (6-0). When it comes to LeBron, you're left trying to find excuses and rationalizations for why he's 3-4 in the Finals
We know about LeBron's superteams. How about we look at MJ's support. Here's his best teammate Scottie Pippen in each Finals series:
1991: 21/9/7 on 53% TS
1992: 21/8/8 on 56% TS
1993: 21/9/8 on 46% TS
Dreadful inefficiency but overall very very good #2, especially considering the defense. However things weren't as rosy for the second 3peat:
1996: 16/8/5 on 43% TS
1997: 20/8/4 on 54% TS
1998: 16/7/5 on 50% TS
Strong defense as usual, but that's your #2 (by a huge margin) on offense yet MJ was consistently able to shred opposing Ds. Incredible. Meanwhile LeBron essentially needs to be surrounded by 3-4 knockdown outside shooters in order to function at a high level in the halfcourt. LeBron with the supporting offensive cast MJ had would look like 2007 Finals LeBron more often than not
And at the end of the day, if you're really still questioning who has the better Finals resume... one number... 2011
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LeBron was 22 when the spurs swept him. Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs from age 21-23.
Lebron went 7-6 at age 21, 11-9 at 22, and 7-6 at age 23.
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Basketball is a team sport. What kind of team does Jordan get to have around him? The 1995-1996 Bulls who went 72-10 in the regular season? That team could beat anybody in the NBA Finals.
If we're comparing player vs. player then Michael Jordan is simply a more valuable player than Lebron James. Look at their stats. Jordan brings more to his team. You would have a better argument if James at the very least leads his team to more NBA championships. As it stands Jordan led teams were undefeated in the NBA Finals and never had to go to a Game 7. The reason is because Michael Jordan was such a dominant player.
If we're comparing player vs. player then Michael Jordan is simply a more valuable player than Lebron James. Look at their stats. Jordan brings more to his team. You would have a better argument if James at the very least leads his team to more NBA championships. As it stands Jordan led teams were undefeated in the NBA Finals and never had to go to a Game 7. The reason is because Michael Jordan was such a dominant player.
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Yes he was. Magic Johnson was 31 years old when the Lakers played the Chicago Bulls in the 1991 NBA Finals. His stats for that season are virtually the same and he had more assists that year than any player in Lakers team history. Johnson later retired after testing positive for HIV but when they played he was a seasoned veteran still in his athletic prime with a solid team supporting him.
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- 2nd in MVP voting behind MJ
- Led team to Finals
- All NBA First Team
- 19/13/7
- .623 TS% (4th highest of career)
- 124 ORtg (3rd highest of career)
- 15.4 Win Shares (4th highest of career)
- .251 WS/48 (4th highest of career)
- 8.3 box +/- (4th highest of career)
- 7.6 VORP (4th highest of career)
- 25.1 PER (5th highest of career)
Prime Magic
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LeBron is great if you want to give a superteam a chance to win the NBA Finals
Jordan is great if you want to win the Finals
Look, the overwhelming consensus is that Jordan >>> LeBron. So the burden is on you to make a convincing case to the contrary. So far all you've come up with is LeBron's era > Jordan's era and LeBron got the the Finals before Jordan did. Gonna have to do a bit better than that
Comparing era's in sports is always dumb. You have to judge greatness within their own eras.
It is worth noting that Jordan played 82 and averaged 20 per way past his prime playing for a garbage bullets team right before LBJ came into the NBA.
It is worth noting that Jordan played 82 and averaged 20 per way past his prime playing for a garbage bullets team right before LBJ came into the NBA.
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Go back and watch those playoffs. He had a great season, a GOOD playoffs, but he was alread fading.
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Dude he was the age LeBron was last year, and Magic was far less dependent on sheer athleticism than LeBron is
When his Lakes upset the #1 seed Blazers (best record in the NBA) in the WCF that season, Magic put up 21/8/13 on 60% TS
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Thank the Lord LeRoux doesn't have HIV at age 31. He likely acquired it years before, it had just finally caught up to him. He's the #2 Laker in my book regardless, but you could tell man. 2 many wild parties at Dr. Buss' love shack.
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Sir, don't be retarded. Jordan and the bulls beat the 2nd best team to ever exist in the finals. Could have swept them, but allowed them to win 2 games in front of their fans. I'm talking of course about the 95-96 Seattle supersonics led by an old school pimp from Oakland named Gurry Payton, and the man with more kids than the wayans family, Shawn Kemp. None of LeBoring's teams would ever come close to beating that sonics team.Whenever the debate of Jordan vs LeBeast is brought up. Jordan fanboys just say jordan went 6 for 6 like a bunch of parrots. Literally the only argument they ever have that hes better. Im an unbias fan, lebron is better thats just how it is, hes played in a tougher league and carried a bigger load than MJ his whole career and been under more pressure also since day 1.
You really think lebron wouldnt go 6 for 6 against the weak ass teams jordan faced in the finals? Come one son.
07 spurs
Thunder with KD harden and goatbrook
Spurs twice
Mavs- really only embarassing loss for legoat ill admit that he choked
Warrios twice
Jordan would probably go like 1-6 against them lol. Probably only beats the mavs just being honest. But hey he went 6 for 6 against some cans though hes better
#facts
How old are you?
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His sexcapeds with women are a complete front? Or is he bi?Dude should have laid off the sausage since everyone knows hiv is a(NTTAWWT) illness
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It's a well known fact he was a catcher. No other reason he would make out with IT in the finals.
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At least Magic the catcher doesn't have Steinerism:
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Plus Kareem wasn't there and another player was hurt a couple games. Lets not act like it was the show time lakers.
People don't want to admitt it but he had a lot of help right around the time he started winning.
1. magic retires/lakers old
2. Bird retires/Celtics old
3. isiah retires/pistons were old and never a threat after Jordan finally beat them in teh playoffs his first chip run
4. Best young player in league dies- Len Bias
5. Another good player in league on off and def dies- reggie lewis.
6. league expansion draining good teams benches
3 legends retire and 2 of the best young players die plus the leagues bench gets drained from the expansion draft.
Imagine if Durant/Duncan/Dirk retired right around the time Lebron went to the heat. Then imagine if Anthony Davis and Curry died and the raptors, celtics, grizz, clippers, etc all had their bench drained from expansion drafts. How many chips would Lebron have?
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Yup, preach it brotha. Gotta bring some not known truth up in this.
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so NY, IND, and even CLE (had two all stars in Price and Dougherty lest we forget) were shitty in the 90s? jordan faced nobody? how about ATL?
Even the Hornets for a minute there w/ young Mourning/Larry Johnson (2 20/10 players), kendall gill etc...
Even the Hornets for a minute there w/ young Mourning/Larry Johnson (2 20/10 players), kendall gill etc...
