Jury acquits bail agent for murdering a guy

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  1. jk7707

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    I don't get it. Did the guy somehow know she was keeping a gun in the drawer of her desk? If not, how the fuck would he have reached for it. Considering she shot him in the back I highly doubt anything like that occurred.
     
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    They often "aim high" to land lower.
     
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    Murder 1 implies "cool reflection," planning and then executing the plan. Essentially. And generically speaking.
     
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    Fb lawyer here... I submit to you a writ of habeas corpus. And plead insanity
     
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    I don't even understand how they could think Murder 1 applied here. They thought she planned all this out? Makes no sense.
     
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    Why does he take his shoe off in someone's office?

    That's so weird...
     
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    Maybe it's just me, but I didn't see him go for the drawer with the gun or grab for it after she pulled it.
     
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    They'll aim high sometimes. Saw it a lot when I was still a policeman
     
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    Ever see Roadhouse ? Boot knife

    "Right boot..."
     
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  10. ProBoxingInsidr

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    i didnt either. in fact, although he was moving quickly and erratically, he wasnt really moving in a way that felt threatening at all. of course he is big, she is a woman and its close quarters, but it didnt come off from viewing it as overly threatening. and i certainly never saw him go for the gun (as if he knew where it was). you can see the curtains on the window fly out (meaning he just went out the window) well before she went for that gun.

    not a lawyer, but is it double jeopardy to charge with 2nd degree murder if you fail to prosecute on 1st? and who would go for first anyway? that is pretty cut and dry 2nd degree murder
     
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    I hope this guy has loved ones so they can sue her in civil court.
     
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    Yeah that was pretty fucking murdery.
     
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    I don't get the point of aiming high is though? Doesn't it look bad if you lose the case?
     
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    That dude never went for the gun at all.

    The DA fucked up but that woman belongs behind bars.
     
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    I'm not an expert... But I've seen it plenty of times

    Happened to a co-worker of mine after he was cleared by our dept AND the fbi
     
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    No lawyer either, but you can't go back and charge them for the same crime using a different charge.

    On tv they always have "on the 1st count of the indictment" and "on the 2nd count" when they read the verdicts so I'm wonder why they didn't include the lesser charge to begin with.
     
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    My wife sat on a jury where the guy was charged with kidnapping - which he clearly didn't do and she said the whole jury was saying they'd like to convict, but he didn't do that.

    They could have charged him with battery, domestic violence, D&D, etc., but they went with kidnapping for forcibly removing his ex from his house.
     
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    Yes I get that. But I don’t get why they can’t charge murder 1 and then say man 1 in the alternative.

    I don’t see how that violates the double jeopardy principle as you say to a jury “this is what you have to determine for murder 1”, “if you don’t convict for murder 1, then this is what you determine for man 1....”

    I don’t really get why it can’t be that way but that’s cool.
     
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    There are a couple of lawyers on here that can better explain it ... I only play one on fb
     
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    They clearly overcharged to let her go scots free.

    She is a murderer.
     
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