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Judo black belt can't compete in BJJ white belt category?
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Hard to make blanket assumptions about Judo Shodans. When I was competing a few years ago in the masters division (as a Sankyu) I handled a few standing and on the mat. I was also viciously slaughtered by a a few more as well.
The guys who got Shodan at my last two clubs are legit, and honestly I can't see them fighing at WB level in BJJ without calling them out....some that I've come across from other clubs would get slaughtered by Blue belts.
Different clubs, different criteriea,
The guys who got Shodan at my last two clubs are legit, and honestly I can't see them fighing at WB level in BJJ without calling them out....some that I've come across from other clubs would get slaughtered by Blue belts.
Different clubs, different criteriea,
Judo BB ground skills vary widely. Those that cross train BJJ are lethal, but even national level Judo BBs can have a basic understanding of Newaza. They do have a great base and awesome choke defence but certainly not BJJ Blue Belt level for a new Shodan.
I was never against Shodans competing at BJJ comps in theory; however i definately see its a bit of a kick in the teeth to someone who has only been training in BJJ a few months.
I beat a guy at the IBJFF Euro's at WB, I later found out he was a Judo BB, and probably so for a number of years (since we're Masters). It clearly states this is against the rules, so if I lost i would have been angry to say the least.
I was never against Shodans competing at BJJ comps in theory; however i definately see its a bit of a kick in the teeth to someone who has only been training in BJJ a few months.
I beat a guy at the IBJFF Euro's at WB, I later found out he was a Judo BB, and probably so for a number of years (since we're Masters). It clearly states this is against the rules, so if I lost i would have been angry to say the least.
A Judo BB who isn't newaza focused nor was exposed to BJJ maybe is still a white belt. That is possible.
But even in that case, give him 6 months of BJJ and he won't be white belt level. It's similar to throwing a good wrestler in BJJ - he'll jump through the ranks.
Over the past year I've dropped in once every other week into BJJ. At first I tapped no one and even tapped to whites sometimes. Then I adapted my game, now squash most of the blues and regularly tap purples. My next goal is to be able to tap browns within a year, by improving my sub game (I'm already good at passing and pinning). I'm not joking. The basic grappling sense is there, so it's easy to adapt and fill in the holes. A beginner wouldn't know where to look. At first it was just the DLR and other weird shit that stopped me, but all you gotta do is YouTube...
But even in that case, give him 6 months of BJJ and he won't be white belt level. It's similar to throwing a good wrestler in BJJ - he'll jump through the ranks.
Over the past year I've dropped in once every other week into BJJ. At first I tapped no one and even tapped to whites sometimes. Then I adapted my game, now squash most of the blues and regularly tap purples. My next goal is to be able to tap browns within a year, by improving my sub game (I'm already good at passing and pinning). I'm not joking. The basic grappling sense is there, so it's easy to adapt and fill in the holes. A beginner wouldn't know where to look. At first it was just the DLR and other weird shit that stopped me, but all you gotta do is YouTube...
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I'm not a judo black belt, but I train primarily no-gi with an MMA club. I've competed in and won 2 white belt comps in the gi. I know there are white belts with a lot more than that, but I have been wondering how much longer is it moral or ethical for me to enter as a white belt. I mean I'm not trying to say I deserve a blue belt or anything like that, as I don't consistently train gi BJJ (about an hour a week) but just trying to figure out at what point will I be sandbagging.
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Ahahahah, this is the crux of it that no-one ever wants to say, nice one Holt.
People always whining about the intricacies of their situation and why they, as an experienced grappler, should be allowed to fight complete noobs.
If you achieve a Judo black belt and still feel the need to fight beginners on a technicality then you are a bully and a coward and what's more you have such a fucking pussy ass ego that you will achieve nothing in the sport of BJJ. You're outing yourself as a pussy from the off.
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For sure. Lots of guys in Korea have BBs. The level on the ground varies. I've also trained with guys that were on the Korean National Team and former members.
Most of the guys on the National Team were blue belt level at least. One was probably purple belt level I'd say, and he knew some footlocks. I only got the chance to roll with him in no gi (they would always want to roll no gi), but I saw him giving a really high level black belt a VERY good roll in the gi. His base, intensity, defense, and cardio were awesome. I was a purple at the time, and I honestly don't think I could have tapped him. He probably would have mauled me truth be told.
Anyway, technically, they were all white belts.
I also had a couple of teammates that had been on the team (one for sure and I think the other one, too). They got their blue belts pretty quick.
One was a super high level dude and went to Judo college. He wouldn't do so hot in competition.
The other got his blue belt in a few months and did Abu Dhabi Pro. He mauled everyone and even ended up breaking some guy's arm. He lost in the finals by a point or an advantage or something. Scary dude.
heh heh heh... I grabbed a blue belt off the wall at BJJ, and I still got complaints :icon_chee
*shrug* it's a blue belt. No biggie
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In my academy has come a Black belt national champion of Judo (Argentina), he fight better than white and blue belts, is very explosive and faster, destroy every block attempt and is a super guard passer, is attack is basic, but very effective, only purple and brown belts can deal with him. I think then in competition can be very unfare get him on a white belt category...
Actually we promote every judoka to blue belt the day they earn their shodan. We call them the hydrids.
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He should just be allowed to compete in a higher belt division without having that belt.
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And then he loses horribly. What then?
He can't go back down to white belt because now we've got witnesses who've seen him compete at a higher level.
Why not just have him start from the lowest level and promote him if he wins?
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If he looses horribly he should train more.
Crushing white belts with your judo skills is ultra lame.
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If some athlete from a different sport had to actually compete at black black level I wouldn't feel bad if he got a black belt after a month.
Well that is assuming that a shodan can handle specific BJJ points systems and rules ! Which is often not the case.
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I was a white belt who had a match against a judo blackbelt in a white belt division in my first tournament. I got thrown around mercilessly for five minutes and lost like 20-0
