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Fedor fought a bunch of bullshit fights. Most of them were non title, but he was still fighting pro wrestlers when he was the #1 HW in the world, and one of the 3 times he actually defended his belt was to Mark Hunt who was coming off of a loss. 9 out of 10 times the title fights in the UFC make sense.

How many "bullshit" fights did Fedor have?

Are you aware that Fedor fought 3-5 times a year for most of his Pride career every time he fought a "bullshit" fight he had other fights against contenders that same year?

How many times do the UFC champions fight contenders per year? Fedor fought more contenders per year than just about any recent champ you can name.

Are you aware that Mark Hunt was a top ten HW fighter? Is your complaint that he was coming off of a loss? The UFC is notorious for giving the "wrong" fighters title shots and pushing certain fighters over more deserving fighters on the roster. And that's when they're not letting the champ freeze the division for years while fucking around with superfights, non-contender fights or fights with people in other divisions.

That's what people complain about when they complain about matchmaking in the UFC. In Pride, the top guys fought the top guys all the time. It didn't matter that they had cans sprinkled in because they fought so often.
 
How many "bullshit" fights did Fedor have?

Are you aware that Fedor fought 3-5 times a year for most of his Pride career every time he fought a "bullshit" fight he had other fights against contenders that same year?

How many times do the UFC champions fight contenders per year? Fedor fought more contenders per year than just about any recent champ you can name.

Are you aware that Mark Hunt was a top ten HW fighter? Is your complaint that he was coming off of a loss? The UFC is notorious for giving the "wrong" fighters title shots and pushing certain fighters over more deserving fighters on the roster. And that's when they're not letting the champ freeze the division for years while fucking around with superfights, non-contender fights or fights with people in other divisions.

That's what people complain about when they complain about matchmaking in the UFC. In Pride, the top guys fought the top guys all the time. It didn't matter that they had cans sprinkled in because they fought so often.

Besides Conor, GSP, and Hendo who has been getting Bullshit tittle shots? Brock was fast tracked, but the only reason he got to fight Couture is because Frank Mir (The interim champ at the time) was injured. I thought pride was Awesome, but some of the squash matches they put on would probably not even get sanctioned under an athletic commission.

Lets look at the current line up of champs.

Thug Rose- was coming of an impressive win and got the fight because JJ had pretty much cleanded out SW.

Nicco- Just won a very shallow TUF tournament

Cyborg -is basically fighting who will ever step in the cage with her because there aren't any 145'ers.

Mighty Mouse- fought all of the top guys in his division and is more than likely going to move up for a super fight.

Dillishaw- Fought Cody after being the clear cut number 1 contender and winning three top 5 fights in a row.

Max Halloway beat Jose Aldo after he was riding a 10 fight win streak was set to fight #3 ranked Frankie Edgar

The two best LW Ferguson and Khabib are fighting, because who knows wtf Conor is doing

Tyron fought 4 times last year against all of the top guys

GSP one of the sports goats came back won the title and vacated now we have Rockhold vs Romero until Whitaker heals.

DC is moving up to HW because who else is there for him to fight Shogun?

Stipe just defended his title against Overeem, JDS, and Ngaunnou all of which were top 5. The only fight left for him that makes sense right now is Cain who is injured, so he and DC are going to have a super fight.

But having your champions fight pro wrestlers is more legit I guess :rolleyes:
 
It was actually pro wrestling that paved the way for MMA in Japan.

It all goes back to Karl Gotch and Billy Robinson, who trained together in old school catch wrestling, both went their different ways in the pro wrestling world and ultimately both of them ended up in Japan training pro wrestlers. Gotch trained Yoshiaki Fujiwara, who trained Suzuki and Funaki, who recruited and trained Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Rutten, going on to found Pancrase. Robinson would train most of the UWFI wrestlers that would go on to become Pride.

Then I don't think a lot of modern fans really understand the influence that Rings had on Pride. Pride basically swallowed up Rings, took their best fighters(Fedor, Overeem, etc), stole their ideas, then put them out of business in 2002, right around the time that Pride really started to kick ass.

The guy who founded Rings, Akira Maeda is connected to Takada, Fujiwara, and Tiger Mask. Those four guys all came out of the same dojo and basically laid the groundwork for what MMA would become. Their bidding war over Rickson Gracie would basically shape the history of MMA.

If you take away pro wrestling's direct influence on MMA history, you take away Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Suzuki, Funaki, Frank Shamrock, Bas Rutten, Sakuraba, Takada, Fedor, Pancrase, Pride, Rings, Shooto never happens. I think it's safe to say that maybe MMA never happens, especially when you consider the influence that pro wrestling had on Mitsuyo Maeda, who taught the Gracies how to grapple.

Maeda was living in a YMCA in Alabama at one point during his travels, learning tricks of the trade from the pro wrestlers he befriended in the 1900's. He basically taught the Gracie's Judo with some old school pro wrestling tricks and submissions worked into it. I mean, if you take all of that away, what does that leave MMA? It would have basically been just a toughman contest, it would have died an early death, if it even would have happened at all.

Japanese pro wrestlers were different than what we think of when we hear “pro wrestling” in the USA.
 
Besides Conor, GSP, and Hendo who has been getting Bullshit tittle shots? ....

But having your champions fight pro wrestlers is more legit I guess :rolleyes:

It's not about simply undeserved title shots, thought that's certainly an issue, it's also about champions being allowed to hang up the divisions while they fuck around. You even mention this in your post defending the UFC's matchmaking: look at how people like Cain, Conor and Bisping have been allowed to freeze their divisions. Look at all the instant rematches that aren't deserved and that nobody wants to see and then look at the actually-compelling rematches that don't happen.

Because you don't understand the issue, you're pointing to the ways the UFC is handling these problems as decent matchmaking when those issues are the problems that lead to complaints about matchmaking.
 
Like that Crocop punk. Or that Dan Henderson push over.
Pride, as much as I loved it, were not exactly always the best matchmakers
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Sounds like bullshit. This is what you are really looking for:


Damn..Gothenburg, Sweden whole team got blasted in under a minute LOL.

I like it. It’s like an old school parking lot rumble between rival gangs.

They should snap their fingers on the way to the ring though.
 
Damn..Gothenburg, Sweden whole team got blasted in under a minute LOL.

I like it. It’s like an old school parking lot rumble between rival gangs.

They should snap their fingers on the way to the ring though.
That would be scary as shit...
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