Jones vs DC 1 wasn't close

[Threetrees]

People post that it wasn't close like every two hours.
Fuck it... no convincing argument will change anything that has happened, which also won't change what's going to happen.
We got a few days, and whatever will be will be.
But even Jones said the fight was "fairly competitive/even for the first three rounds"
but even that doesn't really matter now. One or both of them may not even be the same guy anymore (in the cage).

All in good spirits, friend

I'm just excited for card and was rewatching the fight

 

[Nightmaree]

rounds 5 was no one's round.

First 3 were competitive and close but I would say 29-28 if it was a 3 rounder for Jones

 

[Tuf_guy]

All in good spirits, friend

I'm just excited for card and was rewatching the fight

Yeah, I just think people overlook how competitive it was, but then I realize Jones could potentially blow him out of the water this time... or vice versa.
But I'm saving most of my excitement for the weighin discussions. I enjoy being around the Sherdog Psychological Association during big meetings.

 

[Threetrees]

Yeah, I just think people overlook how competitive it was, but then I realize Jones could potentially blow him out of the water this time... or vice versa.
But I'm saving most of my excitement for the weighin discussions. I enjoy being around the Sherdog Psychological Association during big meetings.

I can't wait for the "X fighter is shook!!!" threads personally

 

[TrueFightFan]

4 rounds to 1 Jon Jones

The 1 round DC won could be given to Jones as well
None of the rounds Jones won could be convincingly argued for Daniel Cormier, there's one that you could make an argument but it'd be a bad one



Not only did Jones win early by being the better striker and wrestler, he won late by being bigger and stronger and faster with better cardio and a longer reach. He toyed with DC and threw him around.

The physical, strategic, and tactical advantages all belonged to Jon Jones, Cormier's best round was the same round where he got kneed and kicked to the body and he ended up blowing his wad. What Cormier can say is that he wasn't truly broken by Jones and he won two moral victories in the fight, he punched Jones in a face a lot in round 2, and he got a takedown(ish) in round 5. But neither of those things brought him close to winning the fight. Jones won almost every moment.

If Jon Jones comes into the cage at something close to 100% of what he was during the first fight, he'll run through Daniel Cormier and make it look easy UNLESS DC has made massive adjustments to his footwork, stamina, and strategy.

If DC wins, even if Jones is something lesser than what we know, he truly is an all time great because he's facing a guy who is better than him everywhere except in pure toughness and grit. And even that is probably about even.

People are building this fight into something it's probably not going to be, though I too hope it is and I'll be happy if I'm wrong. Jones has always been a vastly superior fighter to Daniel Cormier in almost every single way. He showed it the first time... and he'll probably show it again.



Even if Daniel Cormier is better everywhere than he was last time, the simple difference in age and physical ability along with reach and height make this an almost impossible task

If you just watched the fight, again, take a look at the end of the first round. Do you not see the damage DC did to jones and left him stumbling back to his corner where he couldn't even put a water bottle in his mouth? Originally, I gave jones the first round and DC the next two. Rewatching, that first round could have gone either way. This was a victory for jones but not one he can claim he was "dominant" in. You said he "toyed" with Cormier, how do you figure? At what point did he take it easy on DC? If you are talking about the final seconds of the match, that was just looking up at the clock and laying a trap for a cheap shot.

 

[Givvee]

First three rounds where very close, it was definitely the hardest fight of Jones's career apart from the Alexander fight, he was getting hit more than he usually would, you could tell that DC's pressure was bothering him since it forced him to fight a lot going backwards.

I was som impressed however how he was able to take the momentum back in the second half of the third round and really dominating the fourth. In the fifth, both of them where exhausted, it was a very physical fight with a lot of clinching.

 

[TrueFightFan]

4 rounds to 1 Jon Jones

The 1 round DC won could be given to Jones as well
None of the rounds Jones won could be convincingly argued for Daniel Cormier, there's one that you could make an argument but it'd be a bad one



Not only did Jones win early by being the better striker and wrestler, he won late by being bigger and stronger and faster with better cardio and a longer reach. He toyed with DC and threw him around.

The physical, strategic, and tactical advantages all belonged to Jon Jones, Cormier's best round was the same round where he got kneed and kicked to the body and he ended up blowing his wad. What Cormier can say is that he wasn't truly broken by Jones and he won two moral victories in the fight, he punched Jones in a face a lot in round 2, and he got a takedown(ish) in round 5. But neither of those things brought him close to winning the fight. Jones won almost every moment.

If Jon Jones comes into the cage at something close to 100% of what he was during the first fight, he'll run through Daniel Cormier and make it look easy UNLESS DC has made massive adjustments to his footwork, stamina, and strategy.

If DC wins, even if Jones is something lesser than what we know, he truly is an all time great because he's facing a guy who is better than him everywhere except in pure toughness and grit. And even that is probably about even.

People are building this fight into something it's probably not going to be, though I too hope it is and I'll be happy if I'm wrong. Jones has always been a vastly superior fighter to Daniel Cormier in almost every single way. He showed it the first time... and he'll probably show it again.



Even if Daniel Cormier is better everywhere than he was last time, the simple difference in age and physical ability along with reach and height make this an almost impossible task

The fight was extremely competitive and the turning point, for me, was the eyepoke. DC was roughing jones up and they were both tired when that occurred but when they restarted, jones immediately hit DC with a hard kick to the body that sucked the energy right out of him. I don't believe without the restart, jones would have been fresh enough to pull that off.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Lets see how jones does without being able to extend his open hands. If the ref enforces this and threatens points, it could change things.

 

[Check-Hook]

Round 2 was definitely DC's round. I don't understand how Jones could have won that one. I thought Round 3 was also Cormier's.

Jones clearly won 1, 4, and 5. It can be argued he won Round 3. I thought it was a competitive fight, especially the first 3 rounds. Jones was tagged with plenty of uppercuts.

I have DC winning round 2 as well, but it was definitely the closest of the five rounds and arguments could be made for Jones. DC outlanded Jones, but not by much, and Jones were more effective. DC won round 2 due to pushing the pace. In terms of actual effective striking it's a toss up that depends on how you perceive effective striking contra outlanding your opponent.

 

[strawberry]

I only gave one round to DC in the first fight, but every round besides the fourth was pretty competitive, IMO. This is almost a semantics debate. Jones clearly won the fight, but it wasn't a runaway or a dominant performance by any means.

 

[SKITZADACTYL]

i don't see anyone saying it was close, it was competitive though.


if you don't think that fight was competitive then you must be one of those idiots that think jones completely embarrassed/mauled DC.

 

[Balistic]

I didn't see it as close at all..DC was suppose to ragdoll Jones and take him down at will and failed big time..JJ dominated everything..

 

[potemkin723]

It's all in the past, every rematch is a new beginning or continuation.

Let's just enjoy the fight, appreciate what we're about to see.

 

[ChachiKiller]

I think Jones is smart and a great athlete but I always wonder who the best "fighter" is when the physical advantages of an 84" reach has got to be part of the equation. As a pure fighter with no advantage, I have to give it to DC. DC was a heavy weight and under sized. We have not see Jones playing with guys his own frame size. Even still, only one (Sky Scraper) has similar reach and he is almost 7 feet tall. Jones is a champion and great fighter but he has advantages to help.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

When I watched in real time, I thought 3-2 Jones, and considered it a close fight.

Rewatched it a few weeks ago, and realized Jones had a lot more advantages than I remembered, and it wasn't a close fight. You can call it a competitive fight, but not close.

Jones used a lot more tools, managed distance better, had better fight IQ, and even when they were both fresh, was the more physical athlete. Down the stretch it was also clear Jones had better wind.

The reason the rematch is up in the air is we have no reason to believe Jones is well prepared, considering he's had a history of turning his personal life into a dumpster fire at any time. Second to that, of course, DC is a competitor. He is as game as it gets, and freaky talented in his own right. If Jones makes a mistake, he'll capitalize.

Can't wait for this fight.

I have watched the fight back maybe 20 times, in the last 2 years. I seem to check it out a lot on Fight Pass. I agree with your assessment competitive but not close is well put. Jones was never in danger and didn't seem to be getting pushed to any point he could not handle. He allowed DC to take the fight where he wanted, and simple said "Okay I will fight you where you want and beat you" That is what Jones does. Fights men at their strengths and wins. It's why he mentally breaks his foes. They are doing their game plan and still losing.

 

[CPH]

I recall Jones clearly outpointing Cormier in 2 rounds, Cormier clearly winning one, and both fighters being badly gassed for the other two, resulting in very little action.

It was a clear win for Jones, but he did not end the fight emphatically. Not what I call domination by any stretch.

 

[moreorless87]

It was very close for about half the fight, then Jones coasted the rest without ever really threatening.

 

[pick999]

But jones tookdown dc so he didnt win the 1st

 

[FrankFixer]

No doubt Jones won but the rounds were competitive. It's not a stretch to think DC is capable of fighting better and smarter this time around. Jones has been inactive and dealing with a ton of personal shit so their is legitimate reason to question if we've seen the very best Jones already. DC is older and it seems to be showing so that's also something that needs to be taken into consideration. Two months ago I thought Cormier would win but the closer the fight gets I starting leaning towards Jones.
This fight is like the SuperBowl for me.

 

[george14]

It was a close but clear fight.

Most rounds were competitive.

I actually think people have forgotten how close it was.

People 100% have forgotten it was competitive because DC was unable to out-wrestle Jones. Thus, there was a misconception about how dominant it was. I've said a few times, I scored it 3-2 Jones. He definitely won, but it was not some beat down.