Jones' polygraph fiasco could land him an even longer suspension

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Why does everyone think Jon is a sociopath?
 
If USADA is being corrupt the why would they even announce that Jones failed a test? It’s much easier to cover up a failed test than to say he failed but then try to reverse it saying “well um you know. It’s science! And uh the science says he didn’t fail. And we were just wrong the first time. Yeah. Gosh darn us. Getting tests wrong and things”.

Not saying it’s impossible, but it seems dumb to me that they just let Jones off the hook and that every person at USADA is gonna go along with their bosses telling them it’s cool. One person gets paid off. Not the whole collection of USADA employees.
 
I am a big fan of Jones. Can't wait to have him serve me some day at a drive through restaurant....
 
no, it wasnt even close to being true.

1) Mir tested positive for a metabolite of turinabol NOT a metabolite of testosterone

2) That metabolite has a detection window of 2 months or so (per Eichner SMRTL and Catlin UCLA). Even teh most optimistic claims (Rodchenkov, Ex Moscow) put the detection window at 6 months

So no

Mir did not test positive for a testosterone metabolite 2 years after the fact :')

(i cannot actually believe that you believed that story)
I didnt believe his kangaroo story.

I still believe he was having TRT replacement therapy as many UFC fighters used to before USADA was in place. My point is USADA claims things that are not all true and people take what they say as Gospel.

For example, USADA stated that no DR. would prescribe T BOL for TRT therapy and that is not a fact.

There are many short cuts doctors of all types take to treat things. USADA has the technology now to catch things that may have discontinued 90 days prior

Another example, There are Doctors that prescribe many things off label. For example the pain medication Tramadol is prescribed for pain, however it is a known fact that many doctors prescribe it for treating depression.

USADA would say no Tramadol is a pain medication period.

Oral Turinabol hich USADA says Mir was flagged is the mildest of any anabolic steroid. If he expected a strength advantage it wouldnt have done a thing. Same thing for Jones
 
I happen to think Jones has bad character. His actions have proven that. I also think he is the GOAT fighter. I hate that MMA is inundated with roids. But I don’t trust the USADA, and I do think and know supplements are tainted. Intent should matter, but with Jones....after already getting in trouble....stop the supplements unless you test them first. The lie detector can’t hurt and many people will see that as he didn’t intended to take banned substances. I think he gets 2.
 
Yes, polygraphs are not reliable, can't be used as proof, and it's silly that he attempted it

But why would it be cause for punishment?

Do people usually get increased sentences if you try to do dumb stuff to prove your innocence?
Unless you're ruining the investigation, not cooperating etc it doesn't seem like any method of denying guilt would give you an increased sentece

it could prevent you from getting a reduce sentence but why would it INCREASE the sentence?
 
Remember what Novitzky said. He said the starting point for his suspension is 4 years. And depending on either mitigating OR aggravating factors that time could be shortened or even extended by as much as 8 years. This polygraph thing could definitely be seen as an aggravating factor by the judges if they are sufficiently convinced he cheated. Its a really bad look to try and claim your innocence with unscientific bad evidence that isnt even allowed to be used in court because its so faulty when theres actual scientific empirical evidence in a lab showing he cheated. Makes it look to the judges like hes lying and trying to cover it up, plus insulting their intelligence.




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I do not believe he is insulting their intelligence in any way. From my understanding, the polygraph test is only implying that he did not take the drug knowingly. He is not claiming that the drug is not in his body. It might be hard to prove if the drug was or wasn't taken knowingly as there are many excuses one can make up that cannot be disputed.
 
You dont thin Unk lying and contriving evidence to support your lie is an aggravating factor?
Does pleading innocent to a crime usually give you an increased sentence?

The way I view it, the suspension given is based on the assumption that the offender will not plead guilty.

If you get convicted for theft with a sentence of 2 years - you don't get 3 years just by pleading innocent. Or +1 years for every piece of evidence you try to submit.
If you confess and act very cooperative you might get a reduced sentence.
But I assume the original sentence is based on the convicted not confessing.

Besides, they do not care about Jon's personally aquired polygraph so it does not count as tampered evidence.
He could let a medium tell people that George Washington's ghost knows Jon is innocent, but that would not matter.
if he's not fucking up the investigation in other ways it's probably not gonna count.
 
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I didnt believe his kangaroo story.

I still believe he was having TRT replacement therapy as many UFC fighters used to before USADA was in place. My point is USADA claims things that are not all true and people take what they say as Gospel.

For example, USADA stated that no DR. would prescribe T BOL for TRT therapy and that is not a fact.

There are many short cuts doctors of all types take to treat things. USADA has the technology now to catch things that may have discontinued 90 days prior

Another example, There are Doctors that prescribe many things off label. For example the pain medication Tramadol is prescribed for pain, however it is a known fact that many doctors prescribe it for treating depression.

USADA would say no Tramadol is a pain medication period.

Oral Turinabol hich USADA says Mir was flagged is the mildest of any anabolic steroid. If he expected a strength advantage it wouldnt have done a thing. Same thing for Jones

you realise that turinabol was the drug that saw the russians totally dominate the 2012 olympics right?


and again, the idea that Mir would test positive for a TESTOSTERONE metabolite TWO years after having TRT when teh test is for a TURINABOL metablite and even the most optimistic only have it as a SIX MONTH window.. is horseshit and i cannot believe you believed it.
 
I can tell how much having your favourite fighter being regarded as #1 means to you....it is pathetic. Go accomplish something yourself.

Good one. You notice how none of the dozen fruits who replied to my post in this thread actually adressed my main argument? It's like you know it's so true that you don't even want to play the embarrassingly transparent act of pretending to be anti-PED's. lol. Man, if it wasn't for the USADA scam how would you ever hide the real reason you want Jones to go down.
 
As much as we all want to see Bones banned for eight years, I’m now starting to think that USADA is shady.

I just wanna see how a clean Jones performs. I’m ready to accept greatness in the octagon provided it comes with legitimacy
 
Bones haters don't care about PED's. They just don't want him to surpass their favorite GOAT fighter or they want him to stop beating the shit out of their favorite fighters. That's it. The anti-PED stance is contrived BS.
contrived until we see him fight not juiced like possibly the osp fight? the PRO ped stance is way dumber than us anti ped people.
 
Not a good analogy....His nickname was bones but coming home JACKED!.....Squatting small cars and deadlifting 94 HP Escorts makes it more obvious than the Richard Kuklinski card.

Its like Tank Abbott claiming he didn't know the Golds Owner that stacked the bar or Chael's buddy Auto Parts Joel Suprenant pulling the spare and a whole bunch of stuff out of the Escort.
 
Bones haters don't care about PED's. They just don't want him to surpass their favorite GOAT fighter or they want him to stop beating the shit out of their favorite fighters. That's it. The anti-PED stance is contrived BS.

What weak shit. I love watching Bones fight, but how many amazing fights or possible fights has he ruined by being an idiot? He could be the undisputed GOAT by now if he had just got his shit together. There's plenty of reason to bag on him as an MMA fan, and how can you trust that a Jones fight happens or stands at this point?
 
As much as we all want to see Bones banned for eight years, I’m now starting to think that USADA is shady.
You're just now starting to think that lol.
 
I guess it’s like the cool thing to do. He’s just a dumbass

He seems more like a socially awkward middle child he says stupid shit and doesn’t know what to do with his hands.
 
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