Jon Jones would DESTROY Stipe Miocic | Page 12

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Could Jones Get A Win Over Stipe?

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  2. No

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  3. He'll never go to HW

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  1. MMA__Analyst Green Belt

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    Height and reach mean nothing for Hunt

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    But your right lmao, I don't think Hunt could touch Jones if Jones utilizes his footwork and wrestling
     
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  2. tat2man5k Brown Belt

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    Thank ya, kind sir
     
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  3. ermac88 Black Belt

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    True fight fan you need some basic education on combat sports.

    Of course he cuts weight every athlete currently in the UFC under 230lbs "cuts weight"

    These guys are athletes, they know what is optimum for their body to perform at peak perfomance.

    It happens in every combat sport because again these guys operate so their body can work at optimum condition.

    Thats why I encourage you to read up, educated yourself even explore the forum to learn about "fight weight"
     
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  4. Rea_ctor Brown Belt

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    Even Jones admit he couldn't lol
     
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  5. AnotherOldGuy Green Belt

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    The most important vote is from Jon Jones himself. Rather than fighting Stipe he cuts 20+ pound, starving and dehydrating himself for over a week.

    Its a terrible process that no one enjoys, and he does if for the only reason anyone does it - he doesn't think he can win in the heavier weight division. By his actions, Jones has clearly said he doesn't think he can be champ at HW. And if he doesn't think he can do it, who am I to say otherwise?
     
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  6. TrueFightFan Fight Purist

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    You are a moron beyond compare! What freaking athlete starves and dehydrates themselves for a week leading up to an event??? This is to fight at "optimum" performance? Then why don't football, baseball or basketball players do it? Don't they know they can perform so much better by doing this? ***If you are 12, I apologize for calling you a moron.
     
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  7. ermac88 Black Belt

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    Yeah, you dont know anything at all about athletics sports, combat sports or fighting.

    That explains why you are so confused and emotional

    They dont have weight classes in baseball or football or basketball.

    Cheers
     
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  8. TrueFightFan Fight Purist

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    So why would a fighter cut weight? Not to "perform optimally" but to DUCK THE DIVISION HE SHOULD BE FIGHTING IN. No confusion, no emotionality, just trying to set you straight.
     
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  9. ermac88 Black Belt

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    No buckaroo
    So there are sports and their are "combat sports" which have "weight classes"

    Baseball, Basketball Tennis etc does not have weight classes

    an example of a combat sport is of course MMA (mixed martial arts), wrestling, taekwon do, judo, boxing, kick boxing etc.
    Theses sports have "weight classes".

    Most athletes gets started playing sports at a young age.

    Now this is where it can confusing if you dont play or understand sports especially combat sports. It takes alot of training, thats exercise, strength training and cardio vascular training. Its a delicated balance for an athlete. MMA can also include 4-5 disciplines before a fight.

    So these guys have walk around weight, and in shape weight. In shape weight refers to when their in the best possible condition (strength and cardio) for an actual fight. Different athletes have different optimum weights to perform at peak performance for their "weight class".

    So if you dont follow ANY combat sports or participate them, it gets confusing. But in the UFC All athletes under 240lbs (in shape) cut weight. ALL athletes in the UFC under 240lbs cut weight. That means the entire roster. This is also applicable to Bellator and other mma promotions.

    I encourage you to read, educate yourself. You wont be so emotional or confused with a bit more information.
    Its actually a pretty interesting aspect of "combat sports", I hope this helps
     
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    That weight cut typically includes a 15-20 pound water cut, meaning they spend most of a week dehydrated. That is not only unhealthy in itself, with only 24 hours to re-hydrate they're considerably less fit (in almost every physical and mental aspect) than they'd be without the water cut. Even if you ignore the considerable medical science showing the dangers of dehydration (and its easy to find, not just for sport but in general), its hard to ignore that no sport without weight divisions has athletes subjecting themselves to it. If there were any advantage to days of severe dehydration before a major event, every athlete in every sport would be doing it; instead no one does it unless they have to make weight in a sport with weight divisions.

    The take-away is that a water cut is harmful both short term and long term, as well as being exceedingly unpleasant (as absolutely anyone who's ever done it in any sport will tell you). Which means the only reason any athlete does one is because they think their chances of winning at a lower weight division, even with the weakening water cut, is higher than their chances of winning at the higher weight division at full strength.

    Jones does a water cut because he and his coaches believe his chances of winning at 205, even in a weaker state, is better than his chances of winning at full strength at HW. That is, he doesn't believe he could win the championship as a HW, and in fact is so unconfident about his chances of winning at HW that's he's willing to spend a miserable week cutting rather than fight at HW.

    Basically, winning while weakened by dehydration at 205 is still considerably easier than winning at full strength at HW. People are always saying how lousy HW's are, yet most of the actual fighters in the UFC go to great lengths to avoid fighting those same HW's. Including Jones.
     
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  11. ermac88 Black Belt

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    Jones weighed 217 lbs against Cormier.

    Hes been fighting at 205 since he was 21years old, prior to having his coaches and prior to that, cutting weight in collegiate wrestling like ALL other competitors

    EVERY fighter in shape under 240 lbs in the UFC fights in LHW, period. Every fighter, its the established weight hierarchy. Further EVERY fighter under 240lbs in the entire roster cuts weight
    This is how it is in COMBAT SPORTS

    A 217lb man fighting a 245-265lb man "in shape" is just unintelligent and doesn't happen However; that said-

    Jones skinny ass, still challenged Stipe and the much bigger man, Brock
     
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    He possibly can, but I think he's feeling better fighting washed up (sometimes unranked) light-heavyweights.
     
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    This post makes no sense. Jones is factually literally shook of entering hw and fighting anyone. He has literally never fought at hw despite being the size of one. It reeks of fear.

    And if anyone watches the fight w Gus, i agree that jones showed heart, and imo jones deserved to retain his belt at least, if not deserve the victory totally. But he got beat up badly and everyone knows it. Beat up BADLY. Like, beat up worse than gus. Not sure why you think the Gus fight is evidence jones would do well at hw; in fact it shows he would likely get besmirched.
     
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    If you're saying Jones is the same size as just about every other LHW, I agree.

    However, the thread question is whether he can beat Stipe, and I hold to my argument: the very fact that he dehydrates to make 205 says he himself doesn't think so.

    On the other hand, I suspect he'll have an easy fight against Brock, who hasn't had a win in the cage since 2010.
     
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  15. TrueFightFan Fight Purist

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    Thanks for the "enlightenment." However, the athletes don't weigh in at their peak performance weight. They cut weight to try to fight in a smaller weight class than their peak performance weight. They then try to rehydrate and eat to put the weight back on that they cut for weigh-ins. Why do you think that you have so many fighters passing out, suffering kidney damage and dehydration ailments? Because it is GOOD for their bodies? If jones' fight night weight is anything other than 205 or under, he should man up, like Fedor, and fight at heavyweight but, even, he has admitted that it is not a good risk for him at this time and he is waiting for the "right" opponent to take advantage of. What part of all of this do you not understsnd?
     
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  16. Phi- Blue Belt

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    Only thing to say to Jon (or his nuthuggers) when he's talking about joining HW:

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  17. TrueFightFan Fight Purist

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    Also, buckaroo, here is a link to jon stating he walks around at 230-235 when he's not cutting.
    http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/j...ing-that-for-me.3593429/page-3#post-132783325
     
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    Joney wont even fight RUMbLE..stop ducking.
     
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  19. ermac88 Black Belt

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    Fighting is not "good for their bodies". Combat sports are not a healthy sport. Getting punched in the skull is not a healthy thing

    Thats why Im trying to educated you, even on the basics like Basketball, Football and Tennis DONT have weight classes
    Combat sports do

    Thats the basics here.

    In ALL combat sports athletes makes weight, cutting weight to make it for optimum performance.

    No one in the UFC under 240lbs in shape fights in HW. NO ONE

    Thats the way its currently structured, thats the way it is and that simply the facts.

    YOu may not like it or comprehend it, but thats the way it is

    Itll make more sense once you start getting into the sport if you havent follow athletics or combats sports
     
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  20. ermac88 Black Belt

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    Well Stipe was a fireman when Jones won the LHW belt at 23, seven years ago.

    Jones just won his belt back after 2 suspensions. Im not even sure Stipe was a contender or even on the radar when Jones was first suspended with his belt, I Stipe had just been stretched by Struve

    That said, Jones challenged Stipe when Werdum pulled out a fight. So Im sure he think he can beat him, the truth is Brock is more money and bigger fight professionally and financially

    We sometimes forget this is a business.
     
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