Jon Jones is not the best fighter without PEDs

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    His fans trying to convince us that Jojo is a best fighter with or without juice. But the reality is Jon Jones needs it to compete at elite level. I think he's a whole different fighter mentally and physically when on PEDs. He could've been gatekeeper at best without unfair advantage. Against OSP he really looked like a shit. Something was missing in him. His confidence and cockiness. It wasn't ring rust. It was PEDs his system missing!
     
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    Jones is GOAT
    OSP is a top 5 LHW

    Jones 50-45'd him coming off a year layoff


    He basically GSP'd him, except Jones actually did damage (breaking arm) to OSP

    Yet somehow GSP is considered the GOAT by betas in this forum...

    Fedor has a case for being the GOAT over Jon, given that he actually finished people in his prime.

    GSP has literally no case. If GSP passes his drug test against Bisping, he's still only passed one test in the USADA era, which Jon has already done.



    And Jon never tapped to strikes

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    They were both equally bad. Many believed Jones would walk through him.
     
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    Of course he is not. If he was, why would he used them?
     
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    But steroids didn't cause DC to drop his hands durrrr haaaaa timmeh!
     
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    Jones is GOAT
    More believed GSP would walk through Serra the first time

    The majority also believed GSP would easily 50-45 Hendricks, but he ended up losing + getting beat into retirement

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    Current state of LHW division is like 4 men division. They are head above rest of the division. Jones, Cormier, Gus and Rumble. I don't think Cormier, Gus and Rumble do that bad against OSP. They will actually finish OSP unlike Jones. That fight raised huge suspicion among us. Now after two busts it's fully confirmed that Jones' PED use gave him huge advantage over his opponents.
     
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    Jones is GOAT
    OSP is better than Koscheck, and most of GSP's title defenses

    Even if you discount Jon's wins over DC, his demolition of Shogun is far more impressive than anything GSP has ever done.
     
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    The only thing that we can say for certain is that he was arguably the best with PEDs. Anything else is impossible to prove.
     
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    What planet are you on if you think OSP is a top 5 LHW?

    And that he is better than Koshcheck was in his prime?



    Jones's demolition of Shogun is worthless now because he was juiced out of his mind his entire career.
     
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    Prime "juiced to the gill" jones barely beat old "juiced to the gills" victor ... who was also much smaller
     
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    @Frank Johnson is looking to be the posterwoman for Jon's Widows on Sherdog.

    Standing up for her man on the daily right now.

    Seriously, sweetheart, let it go. Jon is BUSTED and his entire career has a huge asterisk by it.
     
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    Rumble is gone.

    Its now a division of two.

    And both lost to jon so i dunno why i should be interested in anything either do
     
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    True. To be perfectly honest, I just don't want to see him near the sport again. Just not interested.
    The division is much more interesting without his kinda "toxic" presence. All his latest feats are living in the shadow of accidents, drugs, PED, ...

    I for one have had enough.

    For Gondor.
     
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    Who knows how long he juiced for and what other good stuff he was taking?

    And no, none of you know that he was still the best, Top 3, or even Top 10, without the juice.
     
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    The first mistake you made was assuming he was clean in the OSP fight just because he passed his tests. I'm a fan of Jon and if he's been juicing he did it against OSP as well.
    I doubt he plans his cycle based on opponents.

    Also 50-45.
     
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    Jones was on PEDs against Shogun. I am convinced that he was not clean in that fight, and also he was not clean against Machida, Rampage, Rashad, Gus, Glover, hell even Bader.
     
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