Jon Jones is not the best fighter without PEDs

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  1. hasar

    hasar Brown Belt

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    His fans trying to convince us that Jojo is a best fighter with or without juice. But the reality is Jon Jones needs it to compete at elite level. I think he's a whole different fighter mentally and physically when on PEDs. He could've been gatekeeper at best without unfair advantage. Against OSP he really looked like a shit. Something was missing in him. His confidence and cockiness. It wasn't ring rust. It was PEDs his system missing!
     
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    Might want to change the image, someone posted in the middle.
     
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    They were both equally bad. Many believed Jones would walk through him.
     
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    Of course he is not. If he was, why would he used them?
     
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    But steroids didn't cause DC to drop his hands durrrr haaaaa timmeh!
     
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    Current state of LHW division is like 4 men division. They are head above rest of the division. Jones, Cormier, Gus and Rumble. I don't think Cormier, Gus and Rumble do that bad against OSP. They will actually finish OSP unlike Jones. That fight raised huge suspicion among us. Now after two busts it's fully confirmed that Jones' PED use gave him huge advantage over his opponents.
     
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    The only thing that we can say for certain is that he was arguably the best with PEDs. Anything else is impossible to prove.
     
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    What planet are you on if you think OSP is a top 5 LHW?

    And that he is better than Koshcheck was in his prime?



    Jones's demolition of Shogun is worthless now because he was juiced out of his mind his entire career.
     
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    Prime "juiced to the gill" jones barely beat old "juiced to the gills" victor ... who was also much smaller
     
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    @Frank Johnson is looking to be the posterwoman for Jon's Widows on Sherdog.

    Standing up for her man on the daily right now.

    Seriously, sweetheart, let it go. Jon is BUSTED and his entire career has a huge asterisk by it.
     
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    Rumble is gone.

    Its now a division of two.

    And both lost to jon so i dunno why i should be interested in anything either do
     
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    True. To be perfectly honest, I just don't want to see him near the sport again. Just not interested.
    The division is much more interesting without his kinda "toxic" presence. All his latest feats are living in the shadow of accidents, drugs, PED, ...

    I for one have had enough.

    For Gondor.
     
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    Who knows how long he juiced for and what other good stuff he was taking?

    And no, none of you know that he was still the best, Top 3, or even Top 10, without the juice.
     
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    The first mistake you made was assuming he was clean in the OSP fight just because he passed his tests. I'm a fan of Jon and if he's been juicing he did it against OSP as well.
    I doubt he plans his cycle based on opponents.

    Also 50-45.
     
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    Jones was on PEDs against Shogun. I am convinced that he was not clean in that fight, and also he was not clean against Machida, Rampage, Rashad, Gus, Glover, hell even Bader.
     
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    Just look at how Vitor has looked right after USADA popped up. You have to be delusional if you don't think PEDS give you a physical and also as important mental advantage.
     
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    Best among PED and non PED users. DC on TRT and PEDs would be scary.
     
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    Yes it did.

    Because the roids allowed Jones to train harder, gain more speed and power in his strikes, gain more strength for clinch which Cormier has to avoid since he wasn't as strong as Jones combo of strength/leverage.

    Take PEDs away ... maybe Cormier ragdolls Jones or at least has the advantage in the clinch.

    Take PEDs away ... maybe Jones gasses faster and can't throw a kick that fast or hard in the 3rd round.

    Look at Vitor with and without PEDs. Same kicks ... but only for 2 mins ... and not as fast.
     
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    Man this is silly statement, how do you know DC wasn't tired because he was fighting a juicer? Or that Jon Jones had unlimited cardio because of the steroids and being able to train and recover easier? Are you going to make the argument that performance enhancing drugs don't affect performance?
     
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