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  1. Captain Herb BTC Baron

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    I agree that in Jon Jones' case, the 'I would never be so stupid defense' is not a good defence. Novitzky does defend Jon when he said that anyone could google the metabolite test and find out that it had a much longer detection window than the drug itself. But: This is a guy who said that he trusted a peripheral gym hanger-on to supply him with dick pills from an unknown source when he knew that he was responsible for whatever he put in his body. This indicates a willingness to trust almost anyone about pills and supplements and it shows no evidence of any do diligence when it comes to these things. Now, imagine that someone approaches him, perhaps someone he greatly trusts and who has experience and connections in these things and says they have a steroid that is out of the system in 16 hours and can't otherwise be detected. Now imagine that perhaps this is true for the NFL but not for sports overseen by USADA because USADA uses a metabolite test that NFL players don't have to take into account. I think in this situation, it's quite likely that Jon got caught by a test that he didn't know existed.
     
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    Perfectly put.
     
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    Turanibol is only tested for in urine.

    His urine test on the 7th was negative.

    Then he failed the urine test on 07/28. So he had a window to use Turanibol.

    I don't know why everybody keeps saying he took a pill the day of. He had most of the month.

    USADA's Statement.

    “Given that Mr. Jones’ agent has publicly commented on this case, we can confirm Mr. Jones provided a urine and blood sample on July 6th and an additional urine sample on the 7th — all of which were reported negative. On July 28th, his urine sample tested positive for turinabol — as confirmed previously — then after the fight he provided a blood sample that was reported negative.”

    “The prohibited anabolic steroid turinabol is only tested for in urine screens and not in blood tests. Urine and blood screens are complimentary to each other and don’t analyze for the same substances. Importantly, Mr. Jones is innocent unless and until the established process determines otherwise. It’s only fair to let due process occur before jumping to any conclusions.”
     
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    no he doesnt say there were serious questions, he says nothing of the sort, what he says is...

    “On the face of things, any sophisticated doper, or any doper who knows how to do a Google search, is not going to choose turinabol or any other chlorinated steroid,”They could very easily find that there is a detection window of 45 to 60 days and so with the facts that are out there, that Jon tested negative on July 6 and July 7, that means the substance entered his body between July 7 and July 28. Any sophisticated user, or anyone who does a Google search, will see it could be potentially two months in your system. Thus, it would not be a drug of choice if you had any level of sophistication.”

    All he says is substance likely entered his system after July 7th and anyone with a brain could have worked out the detection window.

    I think its fairly well accepted that when it comes to common-sense Jon is fairly severely lacking
     
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    "The substance entered his body between July 7 and July 28."
    Therefore, he must have somehow injested it unintentionally, because no sophisticated user would have used it....

    Ok.
    I choose not to believe.
     
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    no, the premise is that the "base compound" wasn't found in the b sample or for that matter the a sample. reread.
     
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    Novitsky is a lot of things but not a retard. I listened to his podcast with Joe Rogan and the guy is very smart and I learned a lot of shit about the supplement industry. If he's getting behind Jon on this their's a reason for that and it's not "damage control". The guy isn't going to risk his reputation for the UFC they don't pay that well.
     
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    wrong.
    reread.

    hint: "parent compound"
     
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    Ok, but do you think he was actually tested for the metabolite on July 6/7 or are people just assuming that he was, including Novitzky?
     
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    we dont know for sure

    all we have is Jones team saying 6/7 were clean and Andy Foster saying they "test for everytihg"

    even if the 6/7 samples were clean it doesnt change the case

    teh argument would just be that JOnes didnt know there was a new tbol test, thought it was cleared in a few days and figured because he was hit two days in a row he wouldnt be tested again till weigh ins at the earliest
     
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    That makes sense.
     
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    DC and Ken Flo on UFC Tonight act like turismobol is so rare and very expensive so no way anyone would put such an expensive ingredient into supplements, but they intentionally fail to mention possible contamination from these things possibly being produced in the same machinery.
     
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    Hilarious shit.

    Jon is paying him to blow smoke.

    Only a true blue moron buys any of these excuses.
     
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    Novitzky Sounded like he was almost defending him in that article. Some weird and interesting quotes from him.
     
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    Damage control for what? He doesn't have anything to apologize for. He popped Jones. Isn't that his job??
     
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    No chance, Turinabol is a black market drug it is not made by any pharmaceutical company so your not going to get any cross contamination from machinery unless it was a black market supplement.
     
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    I'm very puzzled by how people can claim this type of statement so matter of factly. I thought supplements were not regulated, so how do people act like they're so certain they know exactly what pharmaceutical companies make and don't make. Is the factory manager someone's cousin who immediately reports to them exactly what they do each day?
     
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