Jon Jones' B sample has come back positive (per Brett Okamoto) | Page 21

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  1. TrainHard Blue Belt

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    Did you know that Kelsey Grammer, the actor who played Frasier, also wrote and directed all but three episodes of Friends... another sitcom about a middle-aged psychiatrist who hosts a radio phone-in show. Coincidence?
     
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    Jones has risked it and its fucked him

    He was on his way as best ever but two failed tests you can't ignore

    Thoughskill wisejones is best only other guy is fedor
    It's a shame how his career has ended
    All round
     
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    Well I disagree. Jones ruined his own legacy. DC's legacy still isn't set in stone. I disregard Jones' achievements while I hold DC's in higher regard now.
     
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    PED's mean you cheated.
    If I play poker against a guy and he wins all my money but later find out he cheated, I have no idea who is better.
     
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    To a proven cheater. Wrap your mind around that first, then it's easy to see why DC has been the true no 1 LHW this whole time.
     
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    Again peds don't make you the better fighter

    Mark Coleman Kerr would have owned for years

    I can't call dc true lhw champ when he's lost to jones twice
     
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    When DC sits down in 10 years for a 10 minute interview. 5 of that will be about Jones. Not about beating him. About the reasons he feels he lost.
     
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    They don't make you a better fighter? You actually believe that? Then why even take them? Of course they make you better. They enable you to train harder and longer, not to mention stronger. The more you're able to train, the better your skills can evolve.
     
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    It does not matter if it would have played out different. He got KTFO. That happened. History does not go away because an athletic commission calls a fight a NC. DC will never defeat Jones. It sucks and it is Jones fault for making this so frustrating.
     
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    Because people like scandals. Controversies. That's what they'll ask him about. DC will know Jones needed steroids to beat him.
     
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    Yes train hard and recover

    Coleman and Kerr were juiced to gills in prime they got beat by natural fighters

    Juicing is good in short term but long term fucks you

    Ala ken shamrock quote

    But juice or not jones is better than dc

    Juice or not cain is better than brock
     
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    But he beat him. That is what sticks. It will never be erased. The AC can say NC but he got KTFO on the night..
     
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    Not that frustrating.

    Jones is done, and DC is the greatest LHW of all time.

    It's really pretty simple.

    If DC ever tests positive, someone else will be considered the best ever.
     
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    am I mistaken? i thought in competition positive = dq, while out of competition = nc
     
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    He's never going down as the best. Someone else will have to come along and be the next Jones only do it without the bullshit and controversy. LHW GOAT is basically Jones with an Asterisk. DC is tied to Jones forever. In no way that he likes.
     
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    Brock was a NC. Failed the post fight test..
     
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    It's gone. Dust in the wind.

    If anyone asks him about it, he just has to say "steroid abuser, next question please".

    When a guy comes in second in the 100 meter, and the guy who beat him tests positive, nobody in the world says the guy who tested positive is better.
     
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    I don't believe Jones is better than DC without steroids. Sad thing is, we may never find out. Difference between your comparison is that D.C. Is just as skilled at Jones is. Brock isn't nearly as skilled as Cain.
     
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    His IS the best ever, and it's not that close. He's beaten everyone that matters.

    Undefeated at heavyweight, too.

    Nobody has to do what Jones did because without steroids none of that would have happened. Right now, DC is the gold standard. Number one. Best of all time.
     
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    With the help of steroids. We may never know who's truly better because Jones' is a habitual cheater.
     
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