JDS was the most dangereous man ever when he beat Velasquez in the first fight

BBMN said:
I am over simplifying for a reason. I am pointing out that Fedor and Stipe have more weapons in their bags. JDS was (he has since added a couple kicks) a one trick pony. It was a GREAT trick, but just one trick nonetheless.


True.

But Fedor in his prime and Stipe today do as well. I was trying to highlight offensive ability, as these guys can end it in one second with their offense. Point stands - One needs multiple ways to win to handle multiple types of opponents... This is what being a mixed martial artist entails. JDS would be in major trouble on the mat with Fedor or Stipe. And if they clinched? Forget it. Fedor sambos his ass to hell.
Click to expand...

JDS has been impossible to take and keep down. Highly doubtful Fedor would just be able to grapplefuck him like that.

The thing is it took Cain showing the blueprint for other fighters to figure out JDS's weakness. And even then, it took Cain getting KO'd first and completely revamping his strategy to win. How many heavyweights just spam takedowns and the clinch for five rounds the way Cain did? Not many at all. Because they physically can't. Stipe tried in their first fight and gassed himself out.
 
gono btw said:
Minotau dropped Doom 3 times with his boxing in Pride, Ebenezer Braga in Jungle Fight was literally schoolin´Doom on the feet b4 becomin´over-confident...

Carwin had a short inexpressive career, realistically.

U wanna talk about fear?

Back in the days, fighters would shit themselves b4 facin´ monsters like Kerr or Coleman, those 2 were really feared, especially in a Vale Tudo environment with headbutts...

Ask Don Frye about Coleman...
Click to expand...

JDS would have made quick work of thoses guys evennin their prime and I don’t see how you can compare Nog/Werdum fight with JDS/Werdum, against Nog it more look like a feint knockdown to pull guard but was out cold within 2 minutes against JDS
gono btw said:
Maybe not an armbar...but... not sure... always felt JDS would have had a hard time defending some specific subz, especially against leglocks specialists in Pride or Rings... (obviously no such risk in a UFC environment...)
Click to expand...

JDS was tough to keep on the ground and preffer to stand-up and bang , heavier version of Liddell and Chucky himself would have beat Fedor back then
 
Hardcore Audet said:
JDS would have made quick work of thoses guys evennin their prime and I don’t see how you can compare Nog/Werdum fight with JDS/Werdum, against Nog it more look like a feint knockdown to pull guard but was out cold within 2 minutes against JDS


JDS was tough to keep on the ground and preffer to stand-up and bang , heavier version of Liddell and Chucky himself would have beat Fedor back then
Click to expand...
what...are....u...talkin´...about....

cruz.gif
 
Fight Professor said:
Once JDS lost confidence in his hands he was never the same. Also, Cain admitted that he followed Rogan's plan of mixing up kicks with punches instead of pressure and wrestling which was not very smart.
Click to expand...
Yeah Rogan showed Cain... Not Cain's coaches or anything... <Goldie11>
 
blaseblah said:
JDS has been impossible to take and keep down. Highly doubtful Fedor would just be able to grapplefuck him like that.

The thing is it took Cain showing the blueprint for other fighters to figure out JDS's weakness. And even then, it took Cain getting KO'd first and completely revamping his strategy to win. How many heavyweights just spam takedowns and the clinch for five rounds the way Cain did? Not many at all. Because they physically can't. Stipe tried in their first fight and gassed himself out.
Click to expand...

I think that's mischaracterising how Cain beat JDS personally, he actually didn't get him down very often, what he exploited more was that Jnr has a big hole in his standup both in terms of defence backing up and a lack of counters.
 
Sinthesized said:
Yeah Rogan showed Cain... Not Cain's coaches or anything... <Goldie11>
Click to expand...
I meant Cain's camp had chosen that tactic. Back then, before the Ronda fiasco and all the podcasts, Rogan was considered the most authoritative source of MMA breakdowns.
 
Prime JDS was a scary dude. His path of destruction from his debut against Werdum to Mir was legendary.
 
Hardcore Audet said:
Damn there was no fluke that this fight only length one minute.I’ve rewatch this fight plenty of timed and i would have been afraid for any fighters to face him

Cain landed nothing except a leg kick while JDS landed at least five punches in the first minute including this massive right overhand that throw Cain to the floor. Prime Fedor or Modern Miocic wouldn’t get the better of 2011’s JDS
Click to expand...

Nah bro.
 
Ivanov vs JDS is a great fight, I really expect the winner to get a countender fight right after, something like Ngannou/JDS would be nice
 
Cain really cemented how great he was in those 2 rematches. It really is a shame that he has been plagued with injuries, such an outstanding fighter in terms of skill and sheer toughness.
 
Both jd and Cain was monsters.. jd took a lot damage but so did Cain pushing himself against jd. Reason they have never been the same after their fights. They pretty much destroyed their careers with them 3 fights.
 
IloveTHIS said:
Imo the first Cain fight was no fluke. JDS was just that good. His run is historic. Damn shame he lost his confidence and killer instinct after the Cain rematch maulings
Click to expand...

It's hw.

Cain got outstruck by werdum and got.dropped like 4 times against fucking Kongo lol
 
ANIM4L said:
He had that mojo until he took an L... Sometimes fighters arent the same after that.
Click to expand...

Well to be fair he did not only take a loss, he took one of the worst beatings alltime in any combat sport. Much more damaging than any ko. It made him age years in one night. His reflexes just werent there anymore like before and something changed in his fight approach. Thats why I cant really take joy out of rewatching Cain-JDS 2 &3 its like watching someone get dementia pugilista hammered into his head. JDS is one tough warrrior thats for sure.

JDS big mental problem was that he had his comfort zone in training and fighting and would not develop much out of it in his career. In MMA thats a problem at the top.

Hardcore Audet said:
I’m a BIG Fedor fan but no way Prime Fedor would have been favourite against Prime JDS
Click to expand...

Well thats why fanboys dont work in betting. ;)
 
He was elite, but still got lucky against Cain the first time. The rematches proved that conclusively
 
listrahtes said:
Well to be fair he did not only take a loss, he took one of the worst beatings alltime in any combat sport. Much more damaging than any ko. It made him age years in one night. His reflexes just werent there anymore like before and something changed in his fight approach. Thats why I cant really take joy out of rewatching Cain-JDS 2 &3 its like watching someone get dementia pugilista hammered into his head.

JDS big mental problem was that he had his comfort zone in training and fighting and would not develop much out of it in his career. In MMA thats a problem at the top.



Well thats why fanboys dont work in betting. ;)
Click to expand...
I feel you man. I haven't watched the Cain-JDS 2 and 3 fights ever again. I watched it live, and that's it. I can't go back to watch it, cause it was just too much abuse.

And this, from me, a guy who was sent to start training martial arts at the age of 6... and lost a tooth sparring before I hit 10... this beatdown by Cain on JDS was just too barbaric. I really thought JDS was going to die
 
Cooliox said:
I feel you man. I haven't watched the Cain-JDS 2 and 3 fights ever again. I watched it live, and that's it. I can't go back to watch it, cause it was just too much abuse.

And this, from me, a guy who was sent to start training martial arts at the age of 6... and lost a tooth sparring before I hit 10... this beatdown by Cain on JDS was just too barbaric. I really thought JDS was going to die
Click to expand...

Yep I havent rewatched either. Just seen a short video summary which was enough. Maybe the most vicious beatdown in mma history. Even Goodridge got of far quicker against Fedor. Only mauling comparable is imo Fedor - Big Nog and well Big Nog also aged over night and even looked different but not as drastic as with JDS.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,236,594
Messages
55,429,484
Members
174,775
Latest member
shawn_bogart

Share this page

Back
Top