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Jiu-Jitsu Cop said:I have easly submitted BJJ black belts and have been submitted by white belts.
I belive the second part, but not the first.
Jiu-Jitsu Cop said:I have easly submitted BJJ black belts and have been submitted by white belts.
tequilaman said:And by the way, in Japan, there is NO SUCH THING AS "BRAZILIAN JUU JUTSU". THey just call it jujutsu, just like the Brazilians only call it "JiuJItsu" (and not "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu".)
Quit hijacking other peoples' threads and do your own search.scotty1444 said:hi i was wondering if anyone would give me advice on this check dis site out and da the escapes and submission 1 from "manu" do you think i should go for that dvd to find out more escapes from submissions or one of the BJJ dvds cheershttp://www.immortal.co.uk/martial-arts-videos-dvds.asp?c_urn=108&show=VHS
Jitsuman said:tequilaman has no idea what he's talking about. If you read his first post and then the wikipidea definition he later posted, he contradicts himself over and over.
Shit in the first post he spelled JJJ as "jiu jitsu" Now he's all about the "jujutsu"
By the way, Pride takes place in Japan (huge duh) and yeah, when a BJJ guy fights it's listed as BJJ.
tequilaman said:And when you go to a Jiu Jitsu tourney in Japan, they call it a "Juu Jutsu tourney" and not a "BJJ tourney" buddy. Since you have never lived in Japan nor have ever particpated in Jiu jitsu tourney, how do you know I do not know what I am talking about.
And for the record, Jiu Jitsu is the American spelling, and Juu Jutsu is the correct romanization of the word that American mis-pronounce and misspell.
BJJ is style of Jiu Jitsu buddy. Its a derivative.
And I suppose Wanderlei does "chute Boxing" because that is what the American version of a Pride event says... Riiiiiiight...... Buy a clue.
Jitsuman said:yes, we call it a jiu jitsu tourie here as well, simply because there is no need for stating the obvious. In Brazil they call it the same. Once again, because adding "Brazilian" to it is redundant.
Jitsuman said:"American spelling" hahahaha. Thanks for proving you know shit. If you knew shit, you'd know that different styles*** of jujutsu/jujitsu/jui jitsu, etc. are spelled quite differently. It is BJJ (with very few exceptions) which translates to "jiu jitsu" in English. (Not 'American' you jackass)
Jitsuman said:No, BJJ is not a style of jutjutsu any more than Karate is. (<- I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THIS IN WRITING! SHERDOG POLICE!) The argument "well it's the same because they share a history" doesn't work. Sorry to break it to you. For instance: Biologists argue that the first land mammals came out of the ocean. This does not make a rat a whale. Get my drift? You probably dont, because you dont seem that bright.
Jitsuman said:"Chute Box" is not his style, it's his school. He's usually listed (at least in the earler PRIDE events) as being a "muay thai fighter" "Chute Boxing" is sometimes listed as his style to pay respect to where he trains, and rub it in the face of their arch rivals, brazilian top team.
Jitsuman said:Jujutsu essentially means "gentle art" that is why the Gracies basterdized the name. And as I mentioned before, no one actually trains authentic japanese jujutsu anymore, almost all of the essentials to the style have been lost over time. Kano and his boys showed how ineffective what was left over is, by beating the everloving crap out of the JJJ guys around at the time.
Jitsuman said:oh, and I forgot to tell you, most now at days are under the opinion that everything that was japanese jujutsu, was actually stolen from India. This is where most current research dictates the oldest martial arts stem from.
Jitsuman said:Oh, and in japanese, jujutsu and jiu jitsu are spelled the same. So what the fuck are you even rambling about? Nothing at all in my book.
Jitsuman said:Love how you've flip flopped all of your views after reading the wikipidia definition which contained literally all the information I gave to you my first post in this thread. (So you're saying I'm correct?)
tequilaman said:SHERDOGGERS: Watch me intellectually bitch slap the self-proclaimed "jitsuman" here into submission. He talks out of his ass, and I can prove it.
Dearest Jiu Jitsu Juu Jutsu Jyuu Jutsu Jack ass:
Yes, thank you for agreeing with what I already said Mr. Obvious. We agree here.
****YOu are clearly talking out of your ass here, because those are NOT DIFFERENT STYLES MORON. Those are different Romanizations of the Japanese language. There are several main systems of Romanization, which create different spellings of a Japanese word. For example, "juu", or ten, can be spelled "jyuu, juu, or even ju". So your BS about different styles is false, and yes, the American English spelling of Juu-jutsu (which is the proper spellng under the Mombusho romanization system) is "jiu-jitsu".
Jiu Jitsu is the commonly accepted American English spelling of the Japanese word juu-jutsu. YOu can use them interchangably if you want, but most people use and recognize "jiu-jitsu" as the most common spelling of this Japanese word.
You have no idea what I am talking about do you? Right over your head! Catch it with your jiu-jitsu skills jitsuman!
For more on different Romanization systems, click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization#Japanese
WTF are you talking about ???? BJJ is not a derivative of Jiu Jitsu??? Like I said Jack ass, just like language, all martial arts are derivative. Look up the word "derivative" please. It means "comes from" Your argument is illogical. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu comes from Judo which came from traditional jiu jitsu. Moron. Jiu jitsu is in the name "Brazilian Jiu jitsu" and you don't think it comes from JJJ???
(I was being sarcastic. Look up the word sarcastic too.)
(Judo means "gentle art" where as jiu-jitsu means "gentle technique. I suppose you think that Judo doesn't come from Jiu Jitsu either? And yes, people don't train for sword attacks in JJJ anymore either.
(Proof please? Grappling is found in nearly all ancient societies- Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Chinese... I doubt you can say that Jiu Jitsu has a direct lineage to India.)
Because they are the same word and the same thing. They are NOT two things spelled the differently. It is two different English spellings of the same exact thing- JUU JUTSU.
You must be a Republican. Only idiot Republicans actually use the term "flip-flop" as a verb.
Face it dude. You're speaking with someone with a Master's Degree in Japanese studies who has practiced Judo and Jiu Jitsu (accepted American English spelling of juu-jutsu, fool) for 10 years. You will never beat me in grappling, fighting, or debating.
(AND FOR THOSE OF YOU DOUBTING MY CREDENTIALS...
HERE IS MY MASTER'S FROM DUKE U...
AND HERE IS MY STATE CHAMPIONSHIP (1st) BLUE BELT 161 FROM FLORIDA STATE'S 2002. I am a "little" better since then.
http://www.floridajiujitsufed.com/2002FSCResults.htm
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Jitsuman said:Way to rant and give more false statements, then fall back on a callege degree instead of answering points.
1. Despite your mental retardation jujutsu means Jujutsu (also jujitsu, ju jutsu, ju jitsu, or jiu jitsu; from the Japanese 柔術 jūjutsu "gentle/yielding/compliant Art") As taken from your own wikipedia citation. you'll notice it says "art" not "technique" Contradicting yourself again? You want me to believe you're a scholar when you dont even know what jujitsu means?
Jitsuman said:2. Yes, there are many different styles and ryu's of jujutsu/jui jitsu/jiu jitsu Etc. Hakko Ryu, Daito Ryu, Nihon jujutsu, for examples. Gendai jujutsu is "modern jujutsu" and differs greatly from the former. The fact that you dont know this is kind of pathetic.
WHich is it? YOU say that they are one in the same below, and here you say that they don't share the same history even?Jitsuman said:No, BJJ is not a style of jutjutsu any more than Karate is. The argument "well it's the same because they share a history" doesn't work.)
Jitsuman said:That you think you're giving me a verball beating is worse. Do your homework. Ryu means "school" and each different school taught different techniques and a different way of doing them. That's what a 'style' means. Again, from your wikipedia article: There are today many distinctly westernized styles of jujitsu, a few of which stick to the roots and basics of ancient Ju Jitsu, but many of which do not.
Jitsuman said:3. using "romanization" as an excuse for why you fail to understand the obvious point that much of what is "original jujutsu" and the translated spellings surrounding it are UNKNOWN AND HIGHLY DESPUTED is rediculous. There exists much debate about how jujutsu SHOULD be spelled and you've made it quite obvious you dont know the half of it. Even the very wikipidea article you cite is under review for this very reason.
and I am calling utter Bullshite.Jitsuman said:If you knew shit, you'd know that different styles of jujutsu/jujitsu/jui jitsu, etc. are spelled quite differently. It is BJJ (with very few exceptions) which translates to "jiu jitsu" in English. (Not 'American' you jackass)
Jitsuman said:4. Jiu Jitsu is NOT the commonly accepted American English spelling of the japanese art. I'm not sure where you live, but here in NY if it says "jiu jitsu" it's probably regarding the Brazilian art. I've seen it spelled MANY ways. Would you like me to start posting American jujutsu schools who spell it totally different? I'd be happy to. I dont think I have to, because if you do a basic google search for ALL the spellings we've both given, you'll find hundreds of schools in the US using all the different spellings. There goes that poit of yours, eh?
Jitsuman said:5.More flip-flopping!! (no, I'm not republican) now you're claiming that BJJ was DERIVED from jujutsu!! Now of course I completely agree with you!
Jitsuman said:No, BJJ is not a style of jutjutsu any more than Karate is. The argument "well it's the same because they share a history" doesn't work. AND... as I mentioned before, no one actually trains authentic japanese jujutsu anymore, almost all of the essentials to the style have been lost over time.
Jitsuman said:But that's a whole lot different from your original claim that "BJJ IS japanese jujutsu" "The techniques are the same!"
tequilaman said:JJJ is the grand-father of BJJ people. It is VERY effective as a martial art, but less effective than BJJ as a MARTIAL SPORT.
Jitsuman said:blah blah blah. One statement is true, one is false. The reason I gave you the rat/whale analogy was to point that out (guess I was right, you're too stupid to get it) While rats are not whales, it can be said that rats and whales derived from a common anscestor. I hope you get it now, but I doubt it.
Jitsuman said:6. Nope, I dont think BJJ comes from JJJ,
Jitsuman said:5.More flip-flopping!! (no, I'm not republican) now you're claiming that BJJ was DERIVED from jujutsu!! Now of course I completely agree with you!
Jitsuman said:and again the very article YOU posted from wikipedia agrees with me: "The Brazilian Gracie jujutsu system, and all Brazilian jujutsu in general, although derived originally from Judo" oops, there's that DERIVED WORD AGAIN! (looks like it's not me who missed it's meaning. The article then goes on to say that BJJ *could* be considered to be an example of goshin jujutsu. Do you know what Goshin means? It's right there in the article as well. It does NOT mean traditional japanese jujutsu.
Jitsuman said:7. Still convinced you're right?
Jitsuman said:8. WHo the fuck cares if you wona "State championship" (whatever the fuck that means) in BJJ, you're full of shit.
Jitsuman said:9. How did you get a masters and still be so clueless?
physicaltherapy said:I know there are other grappling arts out there but BJJ blackbelts are ELITE!!!!!!!
If you can submit a BJJ black belt....you are ELITE!!!
I think it's safe to say that there are less than 75 legit American BJJ Blackbelts, definitely less than 100.
It takes approx. 10 years to get your BB in BJJ and a heavy emphasis on competition if you want to reach that level.
So yes...I'll go out on a fucking limb and say it. BJJ black Belts are ELITE. You don't tap these guys out by accident.
p.s. I have rolled with a BJJ blackbelt. His name is Mike Moses from MD. He is phenominal. We weighed about the same and he tapped me 50 katrillion ways to Sunday without breaking a sweat, while doing his taxes. It was like rolling with a ghost. He made you react to put yourself in a bad position. No brute strength...all technique. Hey I'm not bragging here but I'm no pushover when it comes to beginners - 4th place beginner 2004 grapplers quest world champoionships, 1st place for gi and nogi NE grappling challenge. But Jesus...this guy is on a different plane of existance. Even now as a 4 stripe blue belt...I consider myself IMHO a beginner after rolling with that guy. ( I do compete intemediate now for all you fuckers who think I sandbag )