tequilaman said:
Japanese Jiu Jitsu IS Brazilian Jiu Jitsu buddy. THe difference is that JJJ was a true martial art (with finishing moves and sword defenses) and the the Gracies turned it into a sport like Judo.
Japanse Jiu Jitsu never had a "sport" version of Jiu Jitsu. THat was a Gracie invention.
And by the way, COunt Koma was a JUDO EXPERT, and he is the guy that taught them everything they know. Judo comes from JJJ.
JJJ is the grand-father of BJJ people. It is VERY effective as a martial art, but less effective than BJJ as a MARTIAL SPORT.
No, not really.
Original Japanese jujutsu was a battlefeild art meant for fighting armored opponents with weapons.
BJJ in an unarmed martial art that stems from a particular style of Judo. (kodokan/Kosen, I believe)
While it is true that Judo comes from JJJ, they are worlds apart in modern times, so far apart that comparison between the two is absurd.
What is this "true martial art" stuff you speak of? People do martial arts for different reasons. Still though, best translated "martial art" means "fighting style used in military actions" (that's what 'martial' means)
I assure you, no one these days is using "Traditional martial arts" in Iraq. They use bombs, guns, planes, etc. Hand to hand combat is something modern day soldiers know very little about. How do I know this? I train with a whole bunch of marines, army guys, even elite special forces. Hand to hand I'll beat em' every time. Give em' a rifle and I'll be dead in an instant from 100 meters away. Interestling enough the marines have added BJJ to their unarmed combat manual.
"traditional martial arts" by definition are outdated, because no one uses that shit any more, hence it's not really "martial" at all.
You should also know that the Gracies meant for BJJ to be used for self-defense/street fighting. Not for sport. As a matter of fact Helio and Rickson have both went on record complaining about the "sportification" of their art. They think it's the best style in the world for self-defense. They've said the same over and over. Feel free to disagree with them, that's not the point.
Also, Count Koma (meaning count of combat) taught the gracies Judo. That much is true. What you obviously fail to understand is that the gracies took what they learned, and emphasised ground-fighting, thus changing both the focus, and the art itself. BJJ is ever-evolving, and 'modern' BJJ is worlds apart from what the Gracies originally taught. For example, at most modern BJJ schools, takedowns from wrestling are used more, and takedowns from Judo are used less. new subimssions and positions are invented every year. Helio never taught 'the twister' I assure you. And neither did count Koma.
Despite your attempt at the "sport vs. street" argument, BJJ is seemingly more effective at BOTH, simply becasue most of what would be considered original japanese jujutsu has been lost. Simply practicing the art was made all but illegal in the late 1700, early 1800's, bet you didn't know that, eh?
The schools that claim to teach 'original japanese jujutsu' quite simply dont. (sorry to break it to you)
I'll take a BJJ fighter over a JJJ fighter 9 times out of 10, regardless of if it's on the street or in an octogon. BJJ guys just train harder, with full resistence.
Most modern JJJ schools are McDojos, plain and simple.
