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Discussion in 'The War Room' started by freaky, Dec 5, 2017.
What do you mean?
That GDP has been rising in the US for 4 decades, and wages have been flat when adjusted for inflation.
That a shrinking population means higher demand for labor, dropping housing costs, dropping HC costs, ect...
Well atleast if the economic principle of supply and demand still exists, these things will be true.
Hell, in a global economy, with automation coming online now, they are likely in a better position than the rest of the world.
Yes, Japan figured this out hundreds of years ago.
There is nothing wrong with homogeneous societies where they need to change if they don't want to. Poland Hungary Japan. Third world immigrants don't look like they're making Germany and Sweden "wonderful" places to live "like the U.S." Or maybe they are if you want to be sarcastic.
Also what does world war 2 have to do with anything. China doesn't like muslims as much as Japan and they where the victims. Not seeing any solid connections here. Maybe mass importing these third worlders aren't as great as people think.
That's exactly the same language people use to support sanctuary cities and welcome illegals who bypass the legal hard route to citizenship.
Japan has done fine for itself. Not every country should be the same. America as a political entity is a very young country. It's also very different, saying it's a "better model for immigration" means this model is transferable to other established countries when it's not.
Also that was my point, I replied to your post on the assumption that you think Japan should "welcome immigrants" US-style. U.S. has never really been welcoming of illegals, democrats think their opinions are the majority, they learned the hard way that isn't the case in 2016.
You have to go back many years to find a counter-point when Trump just enacted a muslim ban and Sweden is a dumpster fire as an example of importing third world immigrants.
It would be my honour to help that great nation deal with their low birth rate problem. I’ll do it for Free
Hopefully there are Japanese girls looking like this
Seems like you're mad Japan would never accept you.
Honest question: How many US military members stay in Japan after they retire from the DOD?
Doesn't that count as immigration?
Yep, agreed. There has to be some middle-ground somewhere.
Oh and BTW, I think that Japan is the proof that the "OMG no deflation at all cost" neo-liberal religion is horse shit. Economists have been hyperventilating over Japan for decades now, yet by most account they aren't doing too bad, even if of course they face a nunber of challenges.
That's what you get when government debt is mostly owned by the population and not by international markets.
I envy the Japanese for having the balls to admit clearly that they want to live amongst themselves.
Just let the worldwide population decline naturally, we don't need the population to increase.
Japan doesn't need mass immigration. It will be fine.
Germany is looking down the barrel of civil war in the future .... Japn isn't.
Maybe but Japanese civilians own their debt.
The US has a huge portion of its debt owned by China.
The best is in Germany, which produces high-value added goods.
Everyone knows that in 30 years almost all low-skilled jobs will be replaced by robots on production chains.
Yet, at the very moment there is a shortage of low-skilled workers and companies are in fact, complaining.
So here comes the Mad Cow, importing people with low-skills by the millions.
What about in 30 years, you dumb cunt, where there won't be enough jobs for your current native population, even ?
It's even like that in Africa with say, cocoa production.
Younger people are leaving farms everywhere.
Good point and a good question. Less is more, Japanese workers are very unproductive per hour worked. As many work needlessly long hours, with little vacation. Go downtown late on any night, and you'll see offices partially full of drones working all hours. Let them wrok normal hours, and you'll probably get the same output/. Also that allows their spouse to work FT. Otherwise it is essentially impossible to have a house with 2 FT workers here in Japan.
If work/life balance was more normal, it would open up the work froce to people who otherwise would have stayed out of it. Plus, it would boost the fertility rate.
I can link if wanted, there are some micro cases of towns making it easy to have kids, and the fertility rates in those areas are close to 2.0
I read 'Koreans'
Japan's got robots for pretty much anything. By 2050 Japan will have a lower population but every service job will be taken care of by robots.
Sure they were forced into the modern world but as I said they did it on their own terms. It was they themselves that balanced their indigenous values with foreign ideas and practices and produced a unique blend that worked spectacularly for them.
Humans short term greed won this time around.
I think you're underplaying the radical shift that the Meiji era brought about. It wasn't simply that the Japanese adopted foreign models and ideas but they had also changed what it meant to be Japanese.
I don't get why most countries, including the US, don't copy the Gulf states. Just give people from the third world worker visas, let them work so they get money for their families back home, and they leave. We get workers, and they get money. Everyone wins.
And it's easier to manipulate too. Let's say one year we have higher unemployment. Solution: Take in less migrants to give more Americans jobs. And vice versa.
Just one idea.