Jack of all or master of 1?

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In MMA it seems like single submission specialists are more successful than those that take what is given.
Palhares (Heel hook,knee bar)
Ronda (Armbar)
Faber (guillotine)
Maia (Lion killer)

In "MMA" is it better to have a diverse submission game or to specialize in a particular submission?
Thoughts?
 
How do you become either kind of person on purpose?

I bet any of the people you mentioned could teach a seminar on weird and difficult submissions.
 
You are correct. We see the same big subs over and over.

In my mind: i would like for my opponents to avoid my chokes and slip up and give an arm or a leg...or a face so it can be punched...now if only i could punch worth a damn.

I would probably have the same list of subs too hunt for. . . RNC and all that jazz but i would go for Anacondas. Now if only everyone would turtle.
 
Learn a few techniques but learn to execute them as a true master instead of getting mediocre on a thousand different things.
 
in maias case, is not that he only has those subs, he gets what people gives to him, and if the back is what they give to him, well the RNC is the first option. But, if people dont turn their backs to him, he has no problem passing, mounting GnP (albeit not too damaging), over and over again...
 
SummerStriker said:
How do you become either kind of person on purpose?

I bet any of the people you mentioned could teach a seminar on weird and difficult submissions.
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couple of reasons.
1) Many prefer working from backmount and spiderweb (very hard to escape). So naturally those 2 submissions leave you with the choke and the armbar.
2) Some players like the Kimura because of the range, Some can escape the armbar from flexibility.Kimura has more range and a fail still leaves you in dominant position + it's the only sub from halfguard, sidemount.
 
BJJ_Rage said:
in maias case, is not that he only has those subs, he gets what people gives to him, and if the back is what they give to him, well the RNC is the first option. But, if people dont turn their backs to him, he has no problem passing, mounting GnP (albeit not too damaging), over and over again...
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Maia was grappling like you say but he has changed his whole method (check put bjj scout). He sets the opponent up to take the back by providing false escapes. 1st he was controlling from back trying to get the choke. He has developed some kind of hand fight set up for the choke. He has become a back then choke specialist.
 
SummerStriker said:
How do you become either kind of person on purpose?

I bet any of the people you mentioned could teach a seminar on weird and difficult submissions.
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You really need to actually compete more because some of the opinions you offer highlight the fact (by your own admission) you just train mma in the gym..
 
jack36767 said:
You really need to actually compete more because some of the opinions you offer highlight the fact (by your own admission) you just train mma in the gym..
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I'm sure the stuff I'm wrong about will get filtered through the brain trust (where I'll see it on the other end, hopefully). I'm not interested in competition. I'm scared, lazy and uninspired by it in equal amounts.
 
SummerStriker said:
I'm sure the stuff I'm wrong about will get filtered through the brain trust (where I'll see it on the other end, hopefully). I'm not interested in competition. I'm scared, lazy and uninspired by it in equal amounts.
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That's the problem.. you state advice like you have
 
SummerStriker said:
Yup. I'm here for me.
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You do understand that isn't just negligent, it's dangerous, and arrogant and could get some poor idiot who trains with you hurt because they don't know better.... because not even understanding how to develop a specialized game says a lot. And its the same reason I don't give striking advice,
 
jack36767 said:
You do understand that isn't just negligent, it's dangerous, and arrogant and could get some poor idiot who trains with you hurt because they don't know better.... because not even understanding how to develop a specialized game says a lot. And its the same reason I don't give striking advice,
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I don't feel bad at all. I gave you plenty of room to work with. I'm sorry if my expert rhetoric didn't leave you room enough to say, "I, Jack36767, am more qualified to talk about developing a specific game in wrestling than SummerStriker on account of my many accomplishments listed here. As the foremost authority posting in this thread thus far, my heavily weighted opinion on the art is this:"

Sorry man, you won't catch me sinking to name calling or feeling bad too easily.
 
SummerStriker said:
I don't feel bad at all. I gave you plenty of room to work with. I'm sorry if my expert rhetoric didn't leave you room enough to say, "I, Jack36767, am more qualified to talk about developing a specific game in wrestling than SummerStriker on account of my many accomplishments listed here. As the foremost authority posting in this thread thus far, my heavily weighted opinion on the art is this:"

Sorry man, you won't catch me sinking to name calling or feeling bad too easily.
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I wasn't aware I was doing anything like name calling... I meant what I said about someone could get hurt.. I don't give striking advice or in topics I don't have the prerequisite knowledge to do so in.. I don't have a problem with discussing things, offering opinions or questions, it is a forum after all.. but offering advice like you've been there/done that for something that involves someone's physical and mental health is negligent and dangerous. And if you've ever had a concussion or severe injury you should understand that. I haven't name called I've been perfectly reasonable, you got defensive when I mad the comment about not knowing how to make a specialized gameplan. I haven't started to get inot how people who only care about winning practice or sparring sessions are the most dangerous person to train with..

And I even made a joke about the video
 
jack36767 said:
I wasn't aware I was doing anything like name calling... I meant what I said about someone could get hurt.. I don't give striking advice or in topics I don't have the prerequisite knowledge to do so in.. I don't have a problem with discussing things, offering opinions or questions, it is a forum after all.. but offering advice like you've been there/done that for something that involves someone's physical and mental health is negligent and dangerous. And if you've ever had a concussion or severe injury you should understand that. I haven't name called I've been perfectly reasonable, you got defensive when I mad the comment about not knowing how to make a specialized gameplan. I haven't started to get inot how people who only care about winning practice or sparring sessions are the most dangerous person to train with..

And I even made a joke about the video
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My apologies. I know you love the art and are expressing your concerns for people following the best practices. I wasn't following you.
 
SummerStriker said:
My apologies. I know you love the art and are expressing your concerns for people following the best practices. I wasn't following you.
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lol, if you like my posts you know that if I was being men or sarcastic you would know
 
It does seem like the most successful competitors have just a small handful of techniques that they like and use.

The tokui waza is a thing for a reason.
 
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