It's spelled Nunberg, not Nothingburger (Trump Organization Subpoenaed): Investigation v.15

[Quipling]

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Update of the thread:

News

Mueller Subpoenas Trump Organization, Demanding Documents About Russia

By Michael S. Schmidt and Maggie Haberman

March 15, 2018
WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia, according to two people briefed on the matter. The order is the first known time that the special counsel demanded documents directly related to President Trump’s businesses, bringing the investigation closer to the president.

The breadth of the subpoena was not clear, nor was it clear why Mr. Mueller issued it instead of simply asking for the documents from the company, an umbrella organization that oversees Mr. Trump’s business ventures. In the subpoena, delivered in recent weeks, Mr. Mueller ordered the Trump Organization to hand over all documents related to Russia and other topics he is investigating, the people said.

The subpoena is the latest indication that the investigation, which Mr. Trump’s lawyers once regularly assured him would be completed by now, will drag on for at least several more months. Word of the subpoena comes as Mr. Mueller appears to be broadening his investigation to examine the role foreign money may have played in funding Mr. Trump’s political activities. In recent weeks, Mr. Mueller’s investigators have questioned witnesses, including an adviser to the United Arab Emirates, about the flow of Emirati money into the United States.

Neither White House officials nor Alan S. Futerfas, a lawyer representing the Trump Organization, immediately responded to requests for comment. The Trump Organization has typically complied with requests from congressional investigators for documents for their own inquiries into Russian election interference, and there was no indication the company planned to fight Mr. Mueller about it.

emailed Mr. Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen at his Trump Organization account claiming he had ties to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and said that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would help Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign.

Mr. Trump signed a nonbinding “letter of intent” for the project in 2015 and discussed it three times with Mr. Cohen.

Mr. Mueller could run afoul of a red line the president has warned him not to cross. Though it is not clear how much of the subpoena is related to Mr. Trump’s business beyond ties to Russia, Mr. Trump said in an interview with The New York Times in July that the special counsel would be crossing a “red line” if he looked into his family’s finances beyond any relationship with Russia. The president declined to say how he would respond if he concluded that the special counsel had crossed that line.

have advised Mr. Trump to refuse an interview but the president wants to do it, as he believes he has done nothing wrong and can easily answer investigators’ questions.

At the same time, Mr. Trump is considering whether to bring on a new lawyer help represent him in the special counsel’s investigation. Last week, Mr. Trump spoke with Emmet Flood, a longtime Washington lawyer who represented former President Bill Clinton during the impeachment process, about coming into the White House to deal with the inquiry.

Major events so far:

• Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member on eleven counts arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. He has pleaded not guilty. The indictment has since been expanded by 13 claims. Manafort is currently confined to house arrest due to bank and tax fraud uncovered when he tried to secure his bond.
• Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
• George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied.
• Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI with respect to several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
  
• Steve Bannon was interviewed for roughly 20 hours by Mueller's team. Bannon has refused to answer congressional inquiries
  
• Sessions was privately interviewed by Mueller's team. Sessions is currently head of the DoJ.
• 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them.
• An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI

Dumb Talking Points:

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"Nothing will come of this."
Several things have already come of this.

Rosenstein said that it had no effect, and that no american citizens were knowingly involved!

No. He said there was nothing about that in the indictment. There has already been a guilty plea with respect to at least one American outside of the Trump campaign, and at least one trump campaign staffer admitted to meeting with representatives of the russian government in his guilty plea and information, and lying about it.

"Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

They were just shitposting/trolling lol

Wrong. Read the indictment.

The FBI is wasting money on this, but dropping the ball on other things?

The office of special counsel is a separate section. The FBI has literally thousands of employees and lots of different offices and departments

H/t @syct23 for the article, @HereticBD for the title pun.
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[BudKing8806]

But Hillary damnit!

 

[IloveTHIS]

The man is untouchable. Nothing will come of this!

 

[thechoice2]

Somehow I see the whole Stormy Daniels thing is eventually going to tie into this investigation.

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

Just a little worried about what might happen when this particular retard gets backed into a corner. I can almost see him getting rid of Mueller and holding a press conference announcing the investigation was unnecessary because the House GOP committee already said nothing happened.

He's that crazy.

 

[Juventud]

You can hear the sounds now..

So who thinks he'll actually try to fire Mueller now?

A couple of months back there were rumblings Trump wanted to but he was talked out if it by his advisors.

Interesting connection from the guys above that the sudden hardline on Russia sanctions finally happened. Suspicious timing.
Happy that this story will override the sanctions coverage that should have been enacted months ago.

 

[Quipling]

The man is untouchable. Nothing will come of this!

There is a list of criminal cases that have already come of this in the OP.

 

[FacePunch]

Spoiler

 

[Falsedawn]

Aww, I was hoping on "Tilling a field in a state of decay"

 

[thechoice2]

There is a list of criminal cases that have already come of this in the OP.

lol it's nothing to them unless Donald is actually impeached, anyone else doesn't count because Trump (who only hires the best people) didn't know about it!

 

[Trotsky]

Aww, I was hoping on "Tilling a field in a state of decay"

Too much

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

There is a list of criminal cases that have already come of this in the OP.

You'd have to live in our reality to know that though

 

[Prutfis]

*Nürnberg

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Mueller and his team better have their resumes ready. They about to get fired.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Mueller and his team better have their resumes ready. They about to get fired.

I feel like literally everyone is waiting with baited breath to see how Trump reacts to this. Trying to sack Mueller would crank this up to 11.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Dont forget, Trumps attorneys have been trying to cut a deal with Mueller to get him to agree to end the investigation early. Totally something an innocent person would do.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

I feel like literally everyone is waiting with baited breath to see how Trump reacts to this. Trying to sack Mueller would crank this up to 11.

Watching Hannity tonight will give a good indication of Trump's game plan, unless they punt until tomorrow and spend the show talking about Hillary in India.

 

[funcrusher2007]

Setup...Mueller has docs he needs ,I think he’s setting up an obstruction charge.

Trump jr. Trying to hide assets? Via divorce lol.

Sanctions enforcement now? Trying to back peddle on a possible collusion charge...

The fires coming closer to trump..interested to see how he’ll react. Sessions fired...to setup Mueller ouster?

This shits like a lifetime movie lol.

 

[panamaican]

Setup...Mueller has docs he needs ,I think he’s setting up an obstruction charge.

Trump jr. Trying to hide assets? Via divorce lol.

Sanctions enforcement now? Trying to back peddle on a possible collusion charge...

The fires coming closer to trump..interested to see how he’ll react. Sessions fired...to setup Mueller ouster?

This shits like a lifetime movie lol.

Those are good, I didn't even think about that.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Dont forget, Trumps attorneys have been trying to cut a deal with Mueller to get him to agree to end the investigation early. Totally something an innocent person would do.

Yeah, I think the subpoena for the Trump's org records is a message that Mueller isn't going to be dealing. Trump wanted an interview and the case closed within 90 days, but this is going to be a protracted legal battle to get those records, and I don't think Mueller just wants those records for general browsing purposes, I suspect he already knows where X marks the spot.