International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[whougonnacall]

U.s strikes on these scumbags Makes this article a few days ago stick out
http://www.mei.edu/content/article/io/iran-and-us-collision-course-post-islamic-state-syria-and-iraq

 

[Videer]

"US partnered forces"

Moderate headchoppers as usual

Naah these are good bois so far.

 

[whougonnacall]

-despite airstrike pro regime militas (iranians and hez mainly) again advancing on al tanf where uk and u.s forces are
Sand storms reported so may explain no air strikes
Worries for large refugee camp near border if they advance further.

-isis displaying arms and ammo siezed from raiding homs regime checkpoints

-iran plans to resume oils supplies to regime soon

-reports from that al-queda planning to disown nursra as its affilite in syria and restart its own!
Feels they have drifted way too far ideology wise
Will seek to restart using part of existing unhappy extremist nursra members.

 

[Fronk]

Seems her own collegues already debunking her propganda as well as a guy who posts himself openly filming there
https://www.reddit.com/r/SyrianRebe...rter_in_idlib_mocks_jenna_moussas_propaganda/

Nothing was debunked. It was an excellent report that only Nusra fanboys are desperately trying to discredit.

Idlib being filled with central Asian jihadists and ruled by harsh Sharia law is nothing new to anyone.

The futile attempt at PR by Nusra is hilarious tho. Change them black signs about democracy being the work of the devil and ninja-suit dresscodes for women into colorful ones.

 

[Fronk]

Naah these are good bois so far.

Not from what I've heard. Coming from the American soldiers that actually trains them. You can find articles about them over at SOFREP.

Smugglers/criminals, only driven by money and riddled with ISIS moles.

The only reliable partner the US have in Syria is the SDF.

 

[whougonnacall]

Nothing was debunked. It was an excellent report that only Nusra fanboys are desperately trying to discredit.

Idlib being filled with central Asian jihadists and ruled by harsh Sharia law is nothing new to anyone.

The futile attempt at PR by Nusra is hilarious tho. Change them black signs about democracy being the work of the devil and ninja-suit dresscodes for women into colorful ones.

Lol it was about as credible as partisangirl or that pro assad senators 'report'.

Funny how the guy openly walking arounnd the very centre of idib isnt hiding nor are any women wearing ninja outfits

 

[whougonnacall]

Not from what I've heard. Coming from the American soldiers that actually trains them. You can find articles about them over at SOFREP.

Smugglers/criminals, only driven by money and riddled with ISIS moles.
The only reliable partner the US have in Syria is the SDF.

Aah yes a website also full of bullshitters who swear they are spec ops or ex military who b.s about what they did/do aka half the internet

Odd the same 'money driven' guys had their cash and foriegn weapons cut off recently and still battled through urban warfare and airstrikes to retake half of deera city...odd that.


Funny how in all the time youve randomly posted here never one bad post on the side starving and hassing kids..not one condemnation ever

Also still waiting that massive flood of local syrian pro assad forces..any day now?

 

[Fronk]

Lol it was about as credible as partisangirl or that pro assad senators 'report'.

Funny how the guy openly walking arounnd the very centre of idib isnt hiding nor are any women wearing ninja outfits

Whatever. BS jihadist propaganda from one of their mouthpieces and literally every woman in that video is wearing a Burqa. Watch the video you donkey.

If you don't follow the Nusra narrative you get arrested,killed or disappeared. Even very popular pro-jihadist reporters like Hadi Abdullah get arrested.

The video exposes the truth about Idlib, what everyone already knows. Central Asian jihadist colonisation, Nusra control and pro-AQ slogans everywhere.

 

[Fronk]

Aah yes a website also full of bullshitters who swear they are spec ops or ex military who b.s about what they did/do aka half the internet

Yes, SOFREP obviously has less credibility than you do. I'm sorry. What a BS response. SOFREP is full of bullshit now? Prove it.

Odd the same 'money driven' guys had their cash and foriegn weapons cut off recently and still battled through urban warfare and airstrikes to retake half of deera city...odd that.

The last offensive in Daraa was spearheaded by HTS aka Al-Qaeda. Thats the only reason it was succesful in the first place.

But the group in mention is the "New Syrian Army", a small Jordan/US trained force that captured a bunch of empty desert. The only time they tried a real attack they got slaughtered because the organisation is riddled with ISIS moles.

Funny how in all the time youve randomly posted here never one bad post on the side starving and hassing kids..not one condemnation ever

Also still waiting that massive flood of local syrian pro assad forces..any day now?

I would criticize the goverment more, it is in fact incredibly brutal, if I didn't have to expose the bullshit that you fill up the thread with. The goverment is the only faction, alsongside the SDF recently, that has the capability to govern and protect the plurality of Syrian society. The rebel side can't even keep peace amongst themselves while the enemy are knocking at their gate and the only factions that show any semblance of real organisation is ISIS and AQ.

 

[whougonnacall]

Whatever. BS jihadist propaganda from one of their mouthpieces and literally every woman in that video is wearing a Burqa. Watch the video you donkey.

If you don't follow the Nusra narrative you get arrested,killed or disappeared. Even very popular pro-jihadist reporters like Hadi Abdullah get arrested.

The video exposes the truth about Idlib, what everyone already knows. Central Asian jihadist colonisation, Nusra control and pro-AQ slogans everywhere.

Yeah independent journalists reporting there are all wrong
I like how its cwntral asian not syrian....we pretending the rebels even extremosts arent mainlybsyrian now?

 

[whougonnacall]

Yes, SOFREP obviously has less credibility than you do. I'm sorry. What a BS response. SOFREP is full of bullshit now? Prove it.

The last offensive in Daraa was spearheaded by HTS aka Al-Qaeda. Thats the only reason it was succesful in the first place.

But the group in mention is the "New Syrian Army", a small Jordan/US trained force that captured a bunch of empty desert. The only time they tried a real attack they got slaughtered because the organisation is riddled with ISIS moles.


I would criticize the goverment more, it is in fact incredibly brutal, if I didn't have to expose the bullshit that you fill up the thread with. The goverment is the only faction, alsongside the SDF recently, that has the capability to govern and protect the plurality of Syrian society. The rebel side can't even keep peace amongst themselves while the enemy are knocking at their gate and the only factions that show any semblance of real organisation is ISIS and AQ.

-Said its full of bullshiters as well as ex military ....as are most sites even this one

-nope wrong as usual was fsa southern front breakaways nor do hts have to be attached to something to make it work

Yeah fsa in the south have never been sucessful lol

Lol you never once have in fact you aint contributed shit

All you have done is be wrong on the reg...still waiting on those millions of pro sunni regime troops to fill those manpower gaps you promised .....
Anyday now Right?

 

[Fronk]

-Said its full of bullshiters as well as ex military ....as are most sites even this one

-nope wrong as usual was fsa southern front breakaways nor do hts have to be attached to something to make it work

Yeah fsa in the south have never been sucessful lol

Lol you never once have in fact you aint contributed shit

All you have done is be wrong on the reg...still waiting on those millions of pro sunni regime troops to fill those manpower gaps you promised .....
Anyday now Right?

The rebels lost, get over it.

 

[whougonnacall]

The rebels lost, get over it.

Assad lost get over it

 

[dragonsfly]

The rebels lost, get over it.

?? They controll Idlib Province, South Hama, Eastern Damascus, Southern Syria including Daraa. While FSA is active in the desert and closing in on Deir-Ezzor as we are speaking they are fighting for AL-bukamal and close to AL-mayadin that is just few miles away from Deir-Ezzor while Assad reinforcement won't make it there first.

To be frankly honest Assad, Hezbullah and the Iranian forces already lost the war if not for putin coming in and changing the momentum again and yeah technically they lost the war. Russia is fighting the rebels and the Russians were forced to make deals and engage peace process.

By the way. The US/Jordanian forces of FSA will be the once to inherit Deir-Ezzor and Raqqah because SDF will transfer it to them since that is what the US planning to do.

They want the PetroDollar to survive and the only way to make it survive is to take these two Oil fields in Raqqah and Deir-Ezzor and these are the only 2 Oil fields that is significant and if you look at the Oil war then ASSAD, Iran, Hezbullah and his other allies like Russia clearly lost this war. Assad lost the countries main income to the Americans and FSA and he will never have it back unless he fights for it and I doubt that he has the guts to do with.

Why do you think his forces were bombed in Al-Tanaf? Because there is two roads to Deir-Ezzor one is blocked by ISIS in As-Sukhanal and the other one is blocked by US/Jordanian allies. racing towards Deir-Ezzor and they are very close to it. They won't let him pass because it's all about the survival of petrodollar. The ASSAD forces wanted to race towards Deir Ezzor taking the short cut and thinking US/Jordanian forces would let them pass under the pretext of fighting ISIS but they were very very wrong in that judgement.

Conclusion: Assad, Iran, Hezbullah and Russia lost everything they were fighting for in this war because they were kept busy in the other side and once they wake'ed up it was literally to late.

From Assad's POV it's like a thief who entered his house and he thought he was helping him all this time until he realized he lost everything to this thief and it was to late.... This is what his literally experiencing right now. Mark my words they will never return Raqqah and Deir-Ezzor and they already said officially they don't recognize him as the official state of the country and see him as criminal this just translates into ''I got your countries assets and they belong to me now''

 

[Fronk]

?? They controll Idlib Province, South Hama, Eastern Damascus, Southern Syria including Daraa. While FSA is active in the desert and closing in on Deir-Ezzor as we are speaking they are fighting for AL-bukamal and close to AL-mayadin that is just few miles away from Deir-Ezzor while Assad reinforcement won't make it there first.

Closing in on Deir-Ezzor? What are you talking about? The last time they tried a real attack at Al-Bukamal they got slaughtered. They are not even close to be even in contention over Deir-Ezzor where ,in fact, the goverment is still fighting ISIS everyday because they hold a big part of the city. The NSA only holds a chunk of desert.

The rebels lost every major engagement since the Russian intervention. The Battle of Aleppo was a game changer. Holding a few rural areas won't change that reality.The rebels are no longer a real threat to goverment, they once were.

To be frankly honest Assad, Hezbullah and the Iranian forces already lost the war if not for putin coming in and changing the momentum again and yeah technically they lost the war. Russia is fighting the rebels and the Russians were forced to make deals and engage peace process.

Are you kidding me? The rebels are being shipped to Idlib out of stronghold after stronghold. That's the peace process. It's completely in the goverments favor.

By the way. The US/Jordanian forces of FSA will be the once to inherit Deir-Ezzor and Raqqah because SDF will transfer it to them since that is what the US planning to do.

They want the PetroDollar to survive and the only way to make it survive is to take these two Oil fields in Raqqah and Deir-Ezzor and these are the only 2 Oil fields that is significant and if you look at the Oil war then ASSAD, Iran, Hezbullah and his other allies like Russia clearly lost this war. Assad lost the countries main income to the Americans and FSA and he will never have it back unless he fights for it and I doubt that he has the guts to do with.

They lost this war because ISIS holds a few oil fields? Syria that pre-war wasn't even a net exporter of oil? Is that what you are saying? Not the fact they are have control of Syrias major population centres? Survival of the "PetroDollar", gimme a break.

Why do you think his forces were bombed in Al-Tanaf? Because there is two roads to Deir-Ezzor one is blocked by ISIS in As-Sukhanal and the other one is blocked by US/Jordanian allies. racing towards Deir-Ezzor and they are very close to it. They won't let him pass because it's all about the survival of petrodollar. The ASSAD forces wanted to race towards Deir Ezzor taking the short cut and thinking US/Jordanian forces would let them pass under the pretext of fighting ISIS but they were very very wrong in that judgement.

Your geography is all messed up. The Tanf border crossing lies in a different direction to Deir Ezzor. How is that a shortcut? It's about control of the Jordanian and Iraqi border. Completely different.

Conclusion: Assad, Iran, Hezbullah and Russia lost everything they were fighting for in this war because they were kept busy in the other side and once they wake'ed up it was literally to late.

From Assad's POV it's like a thief who entered his house and he thought he was helping him all this time until he realized he lost everything to this thief and it was to late.... This is what his literally experiencing right now. Mark my words they will never return Raqqah and Deir-Ezzor and they already said officially they don't recognize him as the official state of the country and see him as criminal this just translates into ''I got your countries assets and they belong to me now''

To late for what? Watching the NSA getting killed by ISIS again as soon as they move out of petty desert raids? The NSA is nothing but an american PR-show and they are not a serious contender over eastern Syria. Whatever "PetroDollar" conspiracy is in your head is not a reality on the ground. The security of Aleppo, Damascus and the coast is what decides this war and the goverment has that firmly in its hand.

 

[godking]

Assad lost get over it

Pathetic response which ignores the situation on the ground.

The ''moderate'' rebels can't win at this point.

 

[whougonnacall]

Pathetic response which ignores the situation on the ground.

The ''moderate'' rebels can't win at this point.

Pathetic response that ignores the situation on the ground

Assad lost the civil part of the war ,nor at this propped up stage can he win.

 

[godking]

Pathetic response that ignores the situation on the ground

Assad lost the civil part of the war ,nor at this propped up stage can he win.

He has already won.

He is gradually pushing the rebels out of the urban areas and into idlib.

Assad besieges the rebels in urban areas that he want eventually the rebels surrender and they are allowed to leave and be bussed to Idlib wash rinse and repeat.

In Idlib the various rebels factions start fighting each other with the situation worsening the more refugees enter the area.

ISIS is on its last legs.

Sans MASSIVE intervention from the US he will simply grind down the rebels and there is nothing that the rebels can do about it.

 

[whougonnacall]

He has already won.

He is gradually pushing the rebels out of the urban areas and into idlib.

Assad besieges the rebels in urban areas that he want eventually the rebels surrender and they are allowed to leave and be bussed to Idlib wash rinse and repeat.

In Idlib the various rebels factions start fighting each other with the situation worsening the more refugees enter the area.

ISIS is on its last legs.

Sans MASSIVE intervention from the US he will simply grind down the rebels and there is nothing that the rebels can do about it.

Hes already lost
At this stage hes utterly reliant on foriegn manpower and airpower and he and his allies openly require western cash to rebuild syria nor can he reconquer all of it

His pushing for districts in damascus while hes supposed to be sticking to russias truce is yet again literaly biting the hand that feeds him for ground he cant hold in the face of any serious push longterm anyway.

Meanwhile turkey is mobilizing , their northern area is allowing fsa groups (10k plus and growing )to combine with turkish assistance.....regular posting videos of use of turk facilities for physical fitness ,u.s weapons training and joint operations.

Along the southern border us and uk troops are now training southern fsa forces while other southern front forces still advance in deera city

Israel with a pro israel.whitehouse is back to bombing hez along thenother border ..they will jot allow long term iran or hez presence.

In the middle you have hts about to be disowned by al queda ,fsa groups being combined under u.s command to form new 20-30k strong group who with anhar will prob wipe out hts leaving assad and isis as the remaining undesirables in syria

Overall you have a u.s taking part again and unwilling to allow iran to build a new empire...less iran influence = time running out for assad long term

 

[dragonsfly]

Closing in on Deir-Ezzor? What are you talking about? The last time they tried a real attack at Al-Bukamal they got slaughtered. They are not even close to be even in contention over Deir-Ezzor where ,in fact, the goverment is still fighting ISIS everyday because they hold a big part of the city. The NSA only holds a chunk of desert.

The rebels lost every major engagement since the Russian intervention. The Battle of Aleppo was a game changer. Holding a few rural areas won't change that reality.The rebels are no longer a real threat to goverment, they once were.

Are you kidding me? The rebels are being shipped to Idlib out of stronghold after stronghold. That's the peace process. It's completely in the goverments favor.

They lost this war because ISIS holds a few oil fields? Syria that pre-war wasn't even a net exporter of oil? Is that what you are saying? Not the fact they are have control of Syrias major population centres? Survival of the "PetroDollar", gimme a break.

Your geography is all messed up. The Tanf border crossing lies in a different direction to Deir Ezzor. How is that a shortcut? It's about control of the Jordanian and Iraqi border. Completely different.

To late for what? Watching the NSA getting killed by ISIS again as soon as they move out of petty desert raids? The NSA is nothing but an american PR-show and they are not a serious contender over eastern Syria. Whatever "PetroDollar" conspiracy is in your head is not a reality on the ground. The security of Aleppo, Damascus and the coast is what decides this war and the goverment has that firmly in its hand.

You must be deluded on epic portions if you think ASSAD is walking into a clear cut victory and everything ending in ''Forever happy'' Fairytale then you are completely wrong. This could actully be the beginning of the war as more entities have entered and even the focus of the fighting has changed.

Why do you think Assad got bombed 30km away from Al-Tanaf? He was pushing to the border regions in order to connect with Deir-Ezzor and they may hold it there against ISIS under the siege but they won't be able to hold against the forces whom are about to reach there from Jordan.

Raqqah has the largest Oil Field in the country called Al-Omar oil field plus the other one in Deir-Ezzor and that is what the US mainly want to secure. I can guarantee you Assad will never get these Oil Fields back. The US has made it clear to everybody they don't recognize Assad just like how Kurdistan have never been recognized hence the sovereign state claims is nullified. These Oil fields belong to who gets them. Syria is every man's land currently.

He has so many forces to fight with and why do you think The Russian and his regime have been desparately trying to hold talks with the Rebels??? Because they are exhausted and want to switch the battlefield hence they realized they are losing on the oil war in the eastern part of Syria as the Americans have gained the upper hand on them.

If he loses these two cities he has basically lost everything and his regime will become very poor and won't be able to keep his other major allies and make no mistake the US will never release these 2 oil fields back to Assad or any other syrian regime after him.

His lost alot of manpower and wanted to desparately to stop the war against the rebels as it would make certain of his potentially lose on the long run. The Rebels will rise and increase in numbers as usually between years and the longer the war continues the more troops will come into Syria to join the rebels just take Afganistan as example 16-years and continuing while Taliban just goes from strength to strength and In My honest opinion this war is just marely the beginning of the conflict hence we are long way out. I do agree with you on one thing. ISIS won't last past another year imo and they are finished and they were never really contenders imho even from the beginning.

The more furious and dedicated opponents were always HTS, AS and FSA. who form the main rebels. This group will last for a long time to come.

Syria will be balkanized and that is where it's heading right now. Assad lost the eastern part of the country plus the south + Idlib province and can't even free eastern Damascus and I repeat eastern Damascus and your saying his close to victory? I would say that is much delusion.

I would rather say sit back and bring some popcorn this is going to be a long ride for many many years to come