Is the armdrag useless as a takedown in mma/self-defense? | Page 2

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  1. Uchi Mata Gold Belt

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    I heard a Frank Mir interview where he was talking about his days bouncing, and he said almost the only thing he did was arm drag people and then RNC them, that he did it hundreds of times. And then set them down gently outside with a cup of water. It's a pretty funny interview actually.
     
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    Arm drags are vital for both MMA and self defense.

    You wouldn't necessarily see them done at distance in a MMA or self defense situation but more from the clinch or up against a wall.
     
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    this has been my experience as well, arm drag to choke and negotiate the walkout haha its actually like a cheat code in a street altercation, because 95% of people are expecting to get into a fight with punches thrown right off the bat
     
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    How in the hell would this even be possible?
     
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    I haven't done this exactly, but same thing with a duck under in line at some crappy club my gf took me to a long time ago.
     
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    is there a video example of this, or something similar?

    how so?
     
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    something like this, but from standing? I've seeing pulled off in competition, but can't remember a solid example from standing at the moment, this was the closest I could find.
     
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    Retherford also uses arm drags to go behind at high levels, though here again it's in situations with a prone posture rather than upright.




    I would say the reason you don't see arm drags in MMA is much the same reasons you don't often see WC style 'hand traps' in MMA either; you're either out of range, in punching range, or in deep clinching range.

    I think slide-bys/ducks/throw-bys would be a more applicable wrinkle, since they play off of the already ubiquitous collar tie which tends to be even more ubiquitous in MMA clinching, due to it's use in setting up strikes, and the possibility of also digging them in against the fence.

     
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    The armdrag is amazing that can be used anywhere. If you're asking this question it's because u dont have a good one. Continue to use it and one day it will click properly
     
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    Maybe you expect to much of the armdrag.

    I use the armdrag to get closer to my opponent and attack the armdrag side. Since we have the opponents arm his attacking options are limited. If the opponent drives toward us then we can drag him past us and attack from behind.
     
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    With both hands up, an arm drag seems a little bit awkward. Going to head control, collar tie, or bicep control just seems more natural to me
     
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    A simple to drill technique that can easily give you the back of an untrained opponent seems good to for self defense to me.
     
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    In street striking where people wear clothes, someone grabbing/posting on you with one hand and wailing on you with the other hand is pretty common and intuitive. In this situation armdragging is fairly easy, and it's not "opening you up" to strikes, because you were getting hit anyway, and it makes you stop getting hit.
     
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    What about Russian 2 on 1? I feel like it's a good alternative to the armdrag when you're parrying the lead hand.

    If I'm on bottom, I'm definitely looking for armdrags though.
     
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    I suck at wrestling but love the arm drag, just starting doing it from butterfly guard to get the back and its working well for me. So yeah when I am doing my butterfly guard in a street fight scenario I put it to use.....
     
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    You can armdrag from the Russian, it’s one of the easiest “not used” that often takedowns from it, as far as striking.. his other arm is free to go to town lol
     
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    I prefer teaching the back hand fmdrag like retherford does in the video to the normal back hand and pressure go behind usually taught first. It’s easier for them to fall into the shot and more secure and less “feel” dependent
     
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    Do you know what the russian 2 on 1 looks like? I'm all the way opposite of his punching hand.
     
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    Did you seriously just ask me if I know what a Russian 2 on 1 looks like.. come on man. And you aren’t that far away lol
     
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    This is an arm drag from two guys who are completely disengaged upper body, from a reach. The poster claimed dragging from a standing clinch was a good option. I cannot see any way that is even possible, and I have wrestled my entire life
     
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