Is Making Weight All Discipline?

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    I seem to remember Rogan telling a story of Rhonda going into the sauna and dropping 15 lbs after someone whined about not being able to make weight.

    This goes for wrought control with people in general. I've been between 145 and 198 in my adult life, and in my experience its purely a matter of intention to control calories.
     
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    Not if you're Hendricks or Khabib. Then it's all fries and desserts.
     
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    Khabib has weight problems? Hell, he barely fights to weigh in!
     
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    I'll admit I'm thinking of Calderwood and this idea women can't be criticized for their weight.
     
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    Yeah pretty much, nobody is forcing these athletes to eat like shit.
     
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    Yeah. Especially considering all of these people are athletes at the highest level. If they cant make weight its bc they lack the discipline. Even the guys that have pushed it way too far, the disciplined ones have made weight. Even in the face of serious negative health effects. For the general population its also about discipline. But you find more people with legit health problems that can make it a bit harder. But still, a lot of those health problems are from terrible diet and lifestyle.
     
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    No it's not all discipline.

    There are inferior and superior ways to cut weight from a scientific perspective. With respect to dieting down, people's set points are different. Lots of things that are relevant to making weight are different among fighters to some degree, which gives different burdens and challenges to each fighter.

    That being said, all fighters should have the level of discipline needed to simply make weight, even if the cut is harder or easier for some.*

    *This is assuming they are fighting at a reasonable weight class. All the discipline in the world won't help if people aim for things their bodies simply aren't capable of producing.
     
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    I hate Connor...That said. He shows that discipline is what it takes to make weight................. DISCIPLINE. Fuk Hendricks,Big Country(for being a fat ass)Cadlewood ect ect...
     
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    Calderwood can't control herself. Take a look at her body. She is covered in useless fat in fight. Joanna has the same height and reach and you can spot a diffrence in body

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    Genes and other things play a part in it too.

    If you have appetite that's out of control, a propensity to store fat and a body that doesn't want to get rid of water then obviously it's going to be a lot harder to make weight. Also everyone reacts differently to being severly dehydrated. Some people just feel thirst while others get all kinds of ugly symptoms.

    Genes also play a part in rehydrating, especially with the IV-ban and USADA (diuretics).
     
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    It's a matter of discipline and designer peds, if you can afford them.
     
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    It's also about doing it properly. they have it down to a science. I think a lot of time people miss weight on purpose when they know it is going to drain them too much; a loss hurts your career far worse than missing weight.
     
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    Cutting weight and losing weight are two different things.
     
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    Shows why one is a champion and the other will never be close.
     
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    Height & Reach aren't the end of all. You have to consider Bone density. Also shape of Body differs from person to person. There are 3 types of body
    Ectomorphs, Endomorphs & Mesomorphs. Also different types of Metabolism, which apparently also depends on the environment of your living, makes difference a lot.
     
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    Making weight is a major discipline issue. Did you eat like crap for a month prior to the fight? Do you have the stamina to cut the weight for weeks leading up to the fight? Then the age factor comes in along with genetics. It is much harder to lose the weight as you age, so over time making 170 becomes more and more difficult like Johnny.
     
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    Fair enough. There's definitely variation among people, faster metabolism and slower, different cutting techniques. But the fighters have lots of time to prepare, they're not failing because it's their first try.

    The way the rules are now they test for dehydration, right? If so then maybe you can't just jump in the sauna in a wetsuit and sweat away whatever you need.

    And getting ill or having an injury that prevents cardio exercise is definitely a factor. I'm not asking people to cause themselves long term damage.

    But ultimately it's all a function of calories. Illness and injury aside, given enough time, I don't see how anyone could have consistent problems making weight without discipline issues.
     
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    Calories out > Calories in
     
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    Then why do so few fighters struggle with this? Old ass Randy Couture, or Romero? No problems. Maybe Calderwood can't afford to hire a dietician, but a guy like Hendricks doesn't have that excuse.

    To be fair, some cut a lot more than others. Those that struggle with this tend to be the same ones, instead of it showing up more randomly.

    I can also understand if I fighter doesn't want to reveal they are sick, or were recently sick, or had an injury that prevented them from being able to do cario during weight cutting. And it's not like you can just ask for a different weight class and fight at the last minute if it's not going well!
     
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