Is lance still the goat ?

[therealdope]

The ones who complain the most about doping are the ones who were doping and know that nobody consistently wins without doping. They really harp on it after they retire without getting caught.

What confirmed doper(s) are you referring to that complained doping. Pharmstrong is the only piece of shit doper that I've heard of who complained about Tyler and Iban Mayo to the UCI. You got someone else?

Are you thinking of Conconi "developing" an EPO test for the UCI while at the same time administering an oxygen vector doping plan for several riders?

You sound like you've been talking to Roy Knickman (who likes to guess at stuff and talk freely).

Bicycle racing is a highly paid team sport and the teams use any edge to win.

Now I know that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Do you really believe that the La Vie Claire team wasn't doping?

There were definitely dopers on La Vie Claire (Jeff). There were also clean riders.

Riders may not even have known because it's better if they don't. Nobody can turn you in if they don't know.

LOL - these weren't 17 year olds being coached by Chris Carmichael.