Is it inevitable China and the U.S. will get into a war?

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With China interested in building their empire and spreading themselves around the globe in Africa, the South Pacific, etc, it only seems a matter of time before the two nations will be at loggerheads with each other.
I think China will test America to see if the President at the time,[lets hope its not Oprah!] stands up to them. If he/she does, then a conflict is on the cards imo. Mind you the U.S. may back down.

So if the answer is 'yes,' will Russia join in too?

Or is this a load of bollocks? Will the two countries just get along fine over the next 100 years despite China having control of the shipping lanes in the South China Sea?

Found out yesterday that Australia has about 15 days of petroleum in reserve, that's all. So it wouldn't take too long for the country to grind to a halt if China ever decided to block our supply coming in.
 
I don't think economically it would make sense for war between China and the US, for either side. Both benefit more in peace.
 
With China interested in building their empire and spreading themselves around the globe in Africa, the South Pacific, etc, it only seems a matter of time before the two nations will be at loggerheads with each other.
I think China will test America to see if the President at the time,[lets hope its not Oprah!] stands up to them. If he/she does, then a conflict is on the cards imo. Mind you the U.S. may back down.

So if the answer is 'yes,' will Russia join in too?

Or is this a load of bollocks? Will the two countries just get along fine over the next 100 years despite China having control of the shipping lanes in the South China Sea?

Found out yesterday that Australia has about 15 days of petroleum in reserve, that's all. So it wouldn't take too long for the country to grind to a halt if China ever decided to block our supply coming in.

You might find the recent article below interesting, and it's actually the other three nations (including yours) which are pushing hardest for it. The US is not going to allow its allies to be intimidated. As far as an actual war, it's known by all the primary reason the major powers don't come directly to blows anymore is the mutual nuclear deterrent and assured destruction but one of the reasons the PRC and Russia really don't want it falls on the US Armed Forces single deadliest asset(s): The 14 Ohio-class nuclear-powered submarines which prowl the oceans undetected.

...The most horrific thing about the Ohio-class subs are that the Trident II missiles it has on board re-enter the atmosphere at Mach 24 and split up into eight independent re-entry vehicles that each carry a 475 kiloton nuclear warhead. A full deployment from just one of them could let off 192 warheads in less than a minute and strike targets from distances of up to 12,000 km. Between sea-based SLBMs, land-launched ICBMs and tactical aircraft bomber capabilities, the SLBMs are easily the most reliable, least vulnerable delivery system and America remains well on top in this regard.

US and Its Asia Pacific Allies Are Boosting Security Ties -- That Could Upset China

The US, Japan, Australia and India are working to preserve the balance of power in the Asia Pacific. But that could aggravate the world's second-largest economy, potentially triggering a greater Chinese military presence around the region. That result became more likely after officials from the four democracies held discussions on upholding freedom of navigation, terrorism, connectivity and maritime security in Asia on the sidelines of a November ASEAN Summit.

The meeting, dubbed the "Australia-India-Japan-United States consultations on the Indo-Pacific," was widely viewed as a resurgence of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue — or "Quad" — an
informal security forum consisting of the same four countries that launched in 2007 but eventually fell apart. The revived Quad comes as President Donald Trump's administration centers its Asia strategy around a "free and open Indo-Pacific," a term used as a replacement for the more widely used "Asia Pacific" label.

An Anti-China Alliance?

The consultations focused on "issues of mutual concern, whether they be security, economic or political," Alex Wong, deputy assistant secretary at the U.S. State Department's East Asian and Pacific Affairs bureau, said last week in response to a question from CNBC. Beijing is the biggest shared worry among the four powers, strategists said.

"Though China is cautiously not named in any of the statements, the revival of the group is undoubtedly motivated by increasing nervousness at China's assertiveness and ambitions in the region," researchers at Singapore-based Nanyang Technological University said in a note.

From building man-made islands in the contested South China Sea to increasing economic leverage over developing countries with the Belt and Road program, China's behavior has worried America's Asia Pacific allies. Beijing has also been criticized for using education, spying, and political donations to influence local decision-making in countries such as New Zealand.

When asked whether the four-country dialogue was a means to hedge against China, Wong said unfounded fears were being appended to a single, working-level meeting: "The strange types of intentions being ascribed to [this meeting], I think, may not be grounded in truth." He said dialogue among the four nations would continue, but warned that he "can't predict where it's going to go."

For now, the Quad is widely expected to remain a loose and flexible partnership based on solidarity rather than an institutionalized military alliance. Maritime security is seen as the group's core issue, but infrastructure could play a major role too. "Australia is likely to back proposals to insert an infrastructure investment component into the Quad so it can provide an alternative — or supplement — to China's sprawling 65-nation Belt and Road Initiative," intelligence firm Stratfor said in a February note.


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You might find the recent article below interesting, and it's actually the other three nations (including yours) which are pushing hardest for it. The US is not going to allow its allies to be intimidated. As far as an actual war, it's known by all the primary reason the major powers don't come directly to blows anymore is the mutual nuclear deterrent and assured destruction but one of the reasons the PRC and Russia really don't want it falls on the US Armed Forces single deadliest asset(s): The 14 Ohio-class nuclear-powered submarines which prowl the oceans undetected.

...The most horrific thing about the Ohio-class subs are that the Trident II missiles it has on board re-enter the atmosphere at Mach 24 and split up into eight independent re-entry vehicles that each carry a 475 kiloton nuclear warhead. A full deployment from just one of them could let off 192 warheads in less than a minute and strike targets from distances of up to 12,000 km. Between sea-based SLBMs, land-launched ICBMs and tactical aircraft bomber capabilities, the SLBMs are easily the most reliable, least vulnerable delivery system and America remains well on top in this regard.

US and Its Asia Pacific Allies Are Boosting Security Ties -- That Could Upset China

The US, Japan, Australia and India are working to preserve the balance of power in the Asia Pacific. But that could aggravate the world's second-largest economy, potentially triggering a greater Chinese military presence around the region. That result became more likely after officials from the four democracies held discussions on upholding freedom of navigation, terrorism, connectivity and maritime security in Asia on the sidelines of a November ASEAN Summit.

The meeting, dubbed the "Australia-India-Japan-United States consultations on the Indo-Pacific," was widely viewed as a resurgence of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue — or "Quad" — an
informal security forum consisting of the same four countries that launched in 2007 but eventually fell apart. The revived Quad comes as President Donald Trump's administration centers its Asia strategy around a "free and open Indo-Pacific," a term used as a replacement for the more widely used "Asia Pacific" label.

An Anti-China Alliance?

The consultations focused on "issues of mutual concern, whether they be security, economic or political," Alex Wong, deputy assistant secretary at the U.S. State Department's East Asian and Pacific Affairs bureau, said last week in response to a question from CNBC. Beijing is the biggest shared worry among the four powers, strategists said.

"Though China is cautiously not named in any of the statements, the revival of the group is undoubtedly motivated by increasing nervousness at China's assertiveness and ambitions in the region," researchers at Singapore-based Nanyang Technological University said in a note.

From building man-made islands in the contested South China Sea to increasing economic leverage over developing countries with the Belt and Road program, China's behavior has worried America's Asia Pacific allies. Beijing has also been criticized for using education, spying, and political donations to influence local decision-making in countries such as New Zealand.

When asked whether the four-country dialogue was a means to hedge against China, Wong said unfounded fears were being appended to a single, working-level meeting: "The strange types of intentions being ascribed to [this meeting], I think, may not be grounded in truth." He said dialogue among the four nations would continue, but warned that he "can't predict where it's going to go."

For now, the Quad is widely expected to remain a loose and flexible partnership based on solidarity rather than an institutionalized military alliance. Maritime security is seen as the group's core issue, but infrastructure could play a major role too. "Australia is likely to back proposals to insert an infrastructure investment component into the Quad so it can provide an alternative — or supplement — to China's sprawling 65-nation Belt and Road Initiative," intelligence firm Stratfor said in a February note.


800px-Quadrilateral-3.jpg

Those missiles can actually hold 12 MIRV. I just read but the US is pretending like they actually follow that Start treaty shit that the Russians would never actually follow themselves.

24x12= 288 nuclear weapons per submarine and US has 18 Ohio-class submarines. 14 are silo based another 4 are convert to cruise missile launchers.I wonder if they carry extra to reload these or if not because the missiles so big.

It make sense. In any war against China the US would be smart to have India as an ally. India has two threats facing them.

1) Pakistan
2) China

India in war could invade China from south and West and make China face a two front war.
 
War with China might be first war US actually suffers some hurt. Europe would stay out except UK is my guess but Australia and Japan and India and south Korea would all have an interest in helping defeat China.

If Russia is neutral it russia war to win. A defeated China cement Russian control over soviet sphere and central Asia. Cede east asia to new China puppet government and Japan
 

Thucydides and Realism in International Relations theory is bullshit. War is never inevitable...its something that humans actively construct day in and day out. Humans intentionally manifest war. The "trap" is an illusion in thinking about territoriality, culture, and sovereign power. The Thucydides Trap is nothing if not structuralist theoretical mumbo jumbo that can be overcome through negotiations and the cross-pollination of people, scientific methodologies, and ideas about history/culture/politics.
 
Logistically difficult , the only place you could get enough bullets to shoot all the Chinese would be from China.....they might get suspicious .
 
With China interested in building their empire and spreading themselves around the globe in Africa, the South Pacific, etc, it only seems a matter of time before the two nations will be at loggerheads with each other.

True.

China needs to learn that there is only one empire that can spread themselves around the globe, including around China itself.

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I mean, China controlling the South China Sea? Who do they think they are??
 
Those missiles can actually hold 12 MIRV. I just read but the US is pretending like they actually follow that Start treaty shit that the Russians would never actually follow themselves.

24x12= 288 nuclear weapons per submarine and US has 18 Ohio-class submarines. 14 are silo based another 4 are convert to cruise missile launchers.I wonder if they carry extra to reload these or if not because the missiles so big.

It make sense. In any war against China the US would be smart to have India as an ally. India has two threats facing them.

1) Pakistan
2) China

India in war could invade China from south and West and make China face a two front war.

I believe four of them have been converted into cruise missile subs which is why I cited 14 active SSBNs and you're definitely correct regarding the treaty limitations - Russia's lone active Typhoon-class is the only thing comparable.

In any case, the crazy thing is that the Ohio-class subs are considered America's "ace in the hole" even today while they're actually nearing the end of their operational shelf life. There's already a package of 12 new Columbia-class SSBN replacements which are fully green lit for production, even more efficient and stealthier. A dozen is the minimum number, it's likely to be higher given how much they've been able to drive down costs since the original planning stage.
 
The Chinese already attacked once at Pearl Harbor, we didn’t just sit there and take it did we??? They won’t try that shit again.
 
they would a horrific world power if they ever came out on top of a massive conflict
 
China doesn't want war right now, the US and its allies do. China wants to play the waiting game until they are 100% sure of victory, if they ever get to that point they will not wage war on Americans but would place economic sanctions on the US and try to humiliate and humble them.

China has never forgotten about the century of humiliation by western powers, the suffering and devastation it caused. They never forgot about the Opium Wars and Boxer Rebellion. This history is taught in Chinese schools just like the Day of Independance in taught in US schools. Westerners generally know nothing of Chinas recent history. This is what drives them to this day.


 
The Chinese already attacked once at Pearl Harbor, we didn’t just sit there and take it did we??? They won’t try that shit again.
Please at least try to learn history before posting things like this. Our schools suck.
 
Interesting post from Marshall Gittler of ACLS Global:

First off, there is no “Petro Yuan.” They have simply listed an oil futures contract in yuan. Maybe that will mean less oil futures trading in New York or London as Chinese traders keep their business at home, but it will have absolutely no impact on the dollar’s position as a reserve currency whatsoever. None. Zero.

Secondly, the big secret that none of those conspiracy web sites you’re apparently reading know, understand or are willing to talk about, is that China doesn’t want the yuan to become a major reserve currency. A reserve currency means capital inflows (as other countries buy financial assets denominated in that currency). That reduces your current account surplus. It means less exports and more imports. In the context of China, that means unemployment, the ensuing loss of legitimacy of the CPC, and maybe revolution. It means free capital markets, which prevents the government from controlling interest rates and the allocation of capital, with big implications to China’s powerful state-owned enterprises and banks. It’s just not possible at this point in China — too many vested interests opposed to it.

Third, nobody understands the implications of what I just said. The implications are that being the world’s major reserve currency isn’t a privilege for the US, it’s a burden. It’s a burden that no other country is willing to take on. The fact that the US is the world’s major reserve currency is probably the main reason why the US has had a current account deficit for some 30 years. If the US weren’t in this position, our exports would be greater, our employment would be greater, and our tax take would therefore be greater so then our fiscal position would be better, too. This is why nobody else wants this role. This is why other countries fight against capital inflows. This is what the so-called “currency wars” were all about a few years ago — countries trying to avoid this burden.

China and Russia don’t like the idea that the dollar is at the center of the world’s financial system, but so far nobody I’ve heard of has a better idea. Neither of these countries would like to take over the role. As for this destroying the dollar… give me a break. What nonsense. If anything, this would be an enormous boon to the US economy as exports rose.

Please don’t get your economics from RT.
 
Please at least try to learn history before posting things like this. Our schools suck.

If you didn’t understand that this was a joke then I don’t know what to tell you.
 
China sending its people over to America in droves with enough money to overbid on any property with cash tells me the war has already begun.
 
Thucydides and Realism in International Relations theory is bullshit. War is never inevitable...its something that humans actively construct day in and day out. Humans intentionally manifest war. The "trap" is an illusion in thinking about territoriality, culture, and sovereign power. The Thucydides Trap is nothing if not structuralist theoretical mumbo jumbo that can be overcome through negotiations and the cross-pollination of people, scientific methodologies, and ideas about history/culture/politics.

Well, let's say that you may be right in international law theory, but in human history, being pessimistic can easily become the norm.
 
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