is HW really the "baddest man on the planet" division?

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  1. Mangar

    Mangar Brown Belt

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    Nope,

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  2. BigMuffler

    BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

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    So... why do no mid tier MWs or LHWs move up to HW and be contenders there? Might it be because they themselves don't believe they would do better?
     
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    Ummm, where's Jones?
     
  4. GloryOfIran

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    I Think his thin physuque would be a detriment at HW, althiugh he could probably bulk up and be champ with the right match up.
     
  5. Niels

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    The thin physique is what makes him so fast and that was the reason i think he has a good chance in that division combined with the range and his movements/footwork
     
  6. Rudeboyben84

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    There have been a few recent enough examples in boxing and k1 of giant guys using just size to dominate. Valuev never looked as talented as faster slicker heavyweights, Schilt didn’t look half the fighter of Hoost skill wise but they were huge and could use their size well.

    UFC would have to lift the cap to really say the champ is baddest man for 100% sure but it’s pretty likely he is.
     
  7. WhiteMousse

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    It is very difficult to imagine anyone taking out Stipe right now so I'd say yes, I could completely understand such a title.
     
  8. SeattleFightFan

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    BTW, never forget Kaoklai....

     
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    I don't know if he has ever weighed in that range.
     
  10. Koro_11

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    Every 205, and most 185's are walking around HW's. If you're cutting weight to fight at 205 or 185, it's logical to assume that you believe that's where you have a better chance. No one in their right mind wants to cut weight for any other reason, and no one in their right mind believes "light heavyweight champion" has the same ring to it as "HEAVYWEIGHT champion".

    So ya, whoever wears the HW crown = baddest man on planet
     
  11. LockardTheGOAT

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    Depending on the skill level of the fighter, I could see someone as low as a Middleweight or even a Welterweight being the baddest man on the planet... Especially if you factor in that most of these guys cut an enormous amount of weight and that most Middleweights walk around as well over 200 pounds anyway. Once you get within within the 200 pound range, size difference starts to mean less and less anyway. Thirty pounds of difference between a 130 pounder and a 160 pounder, for example, is vastly different than thirty pounds of difference between a 220 pounder and a 250 pounder.
     
  12. Mmmmmmma1234

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    Yes it is you're insane if you don't believe Stipe is not the best mma fighter in the world "Right Now" size and power are the greatest of equalizers. Weight classes are not there to protect bigger fighters from small guys.

    Not that it was a good show or represents mma but Iron Fist makes sense as an American guy because Stipe is the real version of best fighter in the world till his next loss.
     
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  13. GloryOfIran

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    I Dont think jones success has much to do with speed. He wins with a careful measure of distance, precise well timed strikes and defensive wrestling. I think its why he could get 4 years and still come back and win the title.
     
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    Off doing lie detector tests and crying at press conferences.
     
  15. A.S. Deep

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    Jones dehydrates himself to 205 for a reason.
     
  16. fortheo

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    Didn't middle weight Dan henderson knock out Fedor?
     
  17. BigMuffler

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    Yes, but no MW moves up long term thinking they will continue to do better at HW than at MW.
     
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  18. Fstepp

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    Heavyweights = The Real Men division.

    Below Lightweight = Manlets.

    Real Men weigh at least 200 pounds.
     
  19. MuayThaiBX

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    More often than not the top HW beats the top LHW. Other divisions are just way too small obviously. At HW it is so hard to stay as champ or have a long winning streak because each strike has a much higher probability of bringing a KO. The smaller the weight class, the more often that skill wins out. At HW you see a much higher likelihood of a less skilled fighter landing one blow to win a fight over a "better" fighter who has more tools. Fights are much less predictable. But still the bigger guys will almost always be favored over the smaller, less powerful LHW - which is arguably now a weaker weight class than HW.
     
  20. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak You're a bunch of fucking amateurs.

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    Size matters. Ask yo momma
     

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