Is Fedor the least impressive out of all the GOAT contenders?

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  1. PEDS Help me Post

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    Both Barnett and Overeem ducked him.... hard to fight someone who's ducking you.
     
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    Exactly fedor declined like a normal fighter would loosing his most vital asset first which was his speed, also didn’t help that he fell in love with his striking when he was an all around mma fighter. It’s harder to find a purer mma fighter than fedor at his prime he used all facets of mma. To me gsp is up there just on resume alone, fedor gsp and sakuraba are all goats in my eyes.
     
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    Quite poorly?
    Gtfo
     
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    You are correct. Fedor was great because he could win on the feet striking; he could submit you from the top or win via GnP from the top; he could submit from the bottom. His ability on the ground declined, as he was marketed as a striker. I think that his camp didn't provide him with the ground preparation that he needed in the latter stages of his career.
     
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    This all day long. Fedor fought in the shittiest division when the sport was just starting to grow.
     
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    No they didn't.
     
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    Yea absolutely, I think the switch from Russian top team to Red Devils hurt him a bit since he started focusing more on his striking. He definitely could had used better camps through big part of his career.
     
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    Mark Hunt is doing better because there's literally no competition in the UFC.

    He's ranked #5 because the only thing he had to go to get there is beat Derrick Lewis.... who basically just gave up because of his back.

    He still loses to every top fighter.... there just aren't as many top HWs anymore.


    Crocop is still his best win.
     
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    Yes, they did.

    Barnett could have fought him when Fedor fought Hunt.... but he said he needed more time to prepare..... and instead took a fight against Nog. Apparently his time to prepare meant "more steroids" because he then got busted when they were supposed to fight at Affliction.


    Overeem had the chance to fight him and fought in K-1 instead.
     
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    Fedot hater logic:

    Tim Sylvia doesn't count as a good win because he was past his prime at 34.
    Fedor loses to Bigfoot at 34 years old and he's "still in his prime, he just never fought UFC caliber competition before."


    More Fedor hater logic:

    -Fedor shouldn't be ranked P4P because a guy with 60 lbs on him beat him after 7 years of beating larger opponents without losing a single round.
    -Jones refuses to fight HWs even once, despite being bigger than Fedor.
    -Silva moves up and hand-picks Bonnar and Griffin, loses to Cormier.
    -GSP moves up once his entire career... handpicks the weakest MW champion in years.
    -Aldo never moves up even once.
     
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    So did GSP.

    Fedor started fighting in 2000.
    GSP started fighting in 2002.
     
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    ? Sorry have you seen his UFC fight record? He went 5-6 in 11 fights with the UFC. By comparison in his Pride tenure 21 fights he went 17-3-1.

    So which is more impressive? 5-6 or 17-3? And btw those 3 Pride losses were twice to Fedor and a split loss to Barnett that many felt he won.

    Big Nog's only decent win the UFC was a decision win over a 46 year old Randy Couture.

    GTFO? Say something that actually makes sense and I might. Anyone that doesn't think Big Nog fell off dramatically after leaving Pride and joining an organization that actually did drug testing is delusional and btw I am a fan of his.
     
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    come on man ... this guy had more than 15-25 surgeries and other things lol.
     
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    So you're saying he was more successful in the first 10 years of his athletic career?

    Omg..... wow. Thank God you caught that.


    It's almost like you figured out that....... fighters age.
     
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    TS is an ignorant retard. End of thread.
     
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    No. His dominance in the martial arts world was at a time before technology, million dollar plus training camps, tape to study and game plans opponents and micro movements, electronic email and social media to have moles in camps, and the access to training partners well versed in mma, like today. Don’t be stupid.
     
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    What an original thread! Truly inspiring!
     
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    Has Fedor even been popped for PEDs?
     
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    Interesting argument. It doesn't usually play in GOAT of all time discussions. Less face it, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Jim Brown - all of their sports have progressed tremendously in the last 20 years, and in Brown and Ruth's case, much longer. Muhammad Ali's time was 40 years ago, so much has improved with athletics since then that its hard to compare. And yet fans still call them the GOAT's of their sport.

    Or look at Jesse Owens. He's considered one of the greatest sprinters ever, only Bolt is considered better - and yet his best times would lose in a lot of high school races.

    Or look at other fields. Physicists will tell you Sir Isaac Newton is, along with Einstein, the greatest physicist ever. But any BSc in physics can solve problems Newton couldn't even understand, let alone begin to solve. For that matter, there are physic's BSc's who can solve problems that Einstein couldn't solve - things progress.

    Why are these obviously substandard by today's figures considered great? Because usually GOAT means the best of your time. If you go into university and tell everyone you're a better physicist than Newton or Einstein because you can solve problems they can't they'll laugh you out of the place. But that's what happens regularly in MMA GOAT discussions.

    Who's the GOAT? I"ve no idea, its always an amusing read. But if it doesn't mean best of their day then its easy - whoever the current champ is, because that's the way things progress.
     
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    yes. and anyone who says otherwise has rose-colored glasses on.

    The following UFC HW champs all have or would have beaten Fedor:
    Stipe Miocic
    Fabricio Werdum
    Cain Velasquez
    Junior Dos Santos
    Brock Lesnar
    Randy Couture

    The following UFC LHW Champs would have beat Fedor:
    Daniel Cormier
    Jon Jones
    Mauricio Rua
    Rashad Evans
    Forrest Griffin
    Quinton Jackson
    Chuck Liddell
    Randy Couture
    Vitor Belfort
     

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