Is Daniel Cormier an A level athlete?

This is wrong, though.

Despite starting MMA at 30, Matt Mitrione has had considerable success in both the UFC and Bellator, including knocking out Derrick Lewis in all of 41 seconds, and knocking out a Fedor Emelianeko that wasn't quite as washed-up as people thought back then.

Eryk Anders, despite starting MMA at 25, is a very intriguing prospect and borderline top 10 light heavyweight who arguably beat MMA legend Lyoto Machida.

Even Brendan Schaub, who started MMA at 24 and was a very middling football player, had a respectable 6-5 record within the UFC (4-0 outside it) and a knockout victory over MMA legend Crocop.

Now, can you imagine if any of these guys had started training a martial art at, say, 15 years old?

THAT is what we mean about better athletes getting into MMA.

Many MMA fighters started training in their 20’s. You can’t possibly argue Brendan Schaub and Matt Mitrione are significantly superior to top 10-15 UFC heavies in terms of athleticism.
 
This is a very common fallacy among career choices in sports and it's absolutely false.

Just because you can jump high and run fast it doesn't mean you will be a good MMA fighter. There is no evidence in sports history that suggests traditional sports and combat sports has correlation.


High level athletic gifts will ABSOLUTELY translate to combat sports. I wrestled from 3rd grade through college, ask any high school wrestler from a competitive state, particularly with urban areas, how often they saw an athletic kid who wrestled for their first season go 18-3.

This is almost too stupid to warrant a response. Athleticism is half the equation out of the gate.


Wrestling and BJJ has proven to be the most successful crossover sports to MMA and both arts are respectfully under the category of "combat sports"


Lets use some common sense.

- is there a large pool of athletes entering heavyweight MMA?

(no)

- would more participants entering MMA increase the overall talent pool?

(yes)


We can stop here.

To further your point about wrestling being the best base for MMA - we have 8 new Division I All American heavyweights each and every year. Where are they?

Teaching gym for 45k a year because its a terrible risk -vs- reward to get your head punched in for 10k show money.

If you are arguing that attracting more elite wrestlers into MMA wouldn't increase the talent pool, you need to take a break from posting on here.
 
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all of the NFL athletes who transitioned to UFC didn't do well

Many wrestlers and BJJ practitioners has done well transitioning

Let this sink in

Do you realize guys like Schaub and Mitrione STARTED their mma careers AFTER their pro nfl careers and were top 10 fighters.

Mitrione started in his 30s and he knocked the fuck out of Fedor who many consider GOAT

he picked up mma AFTER his NFL and beat a lifelong pro.

Let THAT sink in
 
High level athletic gifts will ABSOLUTELY translate to combat sports. I wrestled from 3rd grade through college, ask any high school wrestler from a competitive state, particularly with urban areas, how often they saw an athletic kid who wrestled for their first season go 18-3.

This is almost too stupid to warrant a response. Athleticism is half the equation out of the gate.





Lets use some common sense.

- is there are large pool of athletes entering heavyweight MMA?

(no)

- would more participants entering MMA increase the overall talent pool?

(yes)


We can stop here.

To further your point about wrestling being the best base for MMA - we have 8 new Division I All American heavyweights each and every year. Where are they?

Teaching gym for 45k a year because its a terrible risk -vs- reward to get your head punched in for 10k show money.

If you are arguing that attracting more elite wrestlers into MMA wouldn't increase the talent pool, you need to take a break from posting on here.

Most on Sherdog wont understand this because theyve never had any athletic pursuits or even follow sports/athleticism at even a high school level
 
Many MMA fighters started training in their 20’s.

For MMA specifically? Yes. For any martial art? Absolutely not.

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You can’t possibly argue Brendan Schaub and Matt Mitrione are significantly superior to top 10-15 UFC heavies in terms of athleticism.

Sure they are. It's not even close.

Mitrione, a guy with mediocre at best wrestling, takedown defense, and ground fighting, was successful because he was a 250+ pound guy who moved around and had the hand-speed of a 205 pounder. And this in his mid to late 30's. How do you think he caught Fedor? The same way that Fabio Maldanado did, except that Maldanado is a boxer and 205 pounder and started MMA much easlier.

What's the main difference between Mitrione and a UFC wash-out like Josh Copeland, who has significantly better wrestling than Mitrione and started MMA much younger, but has been far less successful?

Athleticism.

Same for Schaub. You can literally find 6-3 regional guys who never even sniff the UFC with equal striking and grappling techinque to Schaub.

So how the hell did Schaub go a respectable 6-5 over multiple years in the UFC and knock out a legend in Crocop? Because there aren't too many guys who are 6' 4" 240 pounds while still being in good shape, let alone possess the type of physical strength, agility, and speed at that size that someone who was almost in the NFL had.
 
Do you realize guys like Schaub and Mitrione STARTED their mma careers AFTER their pro nfl careers and were top 10 fighters.

Mitrione started in his 30s and he knocked the fuck out of Fedor who many consider GOAT

he picked up mma AFTER his NFL and beat a lifelong pro.

Let THAT sink in
Mitrione also lost to Roy Nelson who is the most obvious A level athlete

Let this sink in
 
High level athletic gifts will ABSOLUTELY translate to combat sports. I wrestled from 3rd grade through college

You just proved to me you have no idea what high level athletic gifts are

Let this sink in
 
Mitrione also lost to Roy Nelson who is the most obvious A level athlete

Let this sink in
You dont get it, Nelson is a lifelong pro fighter
Mitrione picked up mma in his 30s and was competing at the highest level of mma, which is a testament to his superior athleticism

Fedor, Nelson or any mma fighter cannot pick up football in their 30s and compete at the highest level or participate in the NFL

Nfl washouts like mitrione and Schaub could
 
You dont get it, Nelson is a lifelong pro fighter
Mitrione picked up mma in his 30s and was competing at the highest level of mma, which is a testament to his superior athleticism

Fedor, Nelson or any mma fighter cannot pick up football in their 30s and compete at the highest level or participate in the NFL

Nfl washouts like mitrione and Schaub could
Mitritone lost to Nelson 3 years into his career by KO

Mitrione lost to Nelson again 8 years into his career

You can't use experience as an excuse with this evidence.
 
If Lebron is an A+ level athlete, Cormier is gotta be a B-
 
Who gives A shit? He's got a list of accolades and UFC title defenses. I dunno what level that is but it's pretty damn good
 
High level athletic gifts will ABSOLUTELY translate to combat sports. I wrestled from 3rd grade through college, ask any high school wrestler from a competitive state, particularly with urban areas, how often they saw an athletic kid who wrestled for their first season go 18-3.

I saw something like this once, maybe twice. I’d imagine it’s even rarer in OH and PA.

Were you implying it’s common?
 
no he beats f level fighters except jon who is a level.if you have a body of dc you cant be a.
 
This is wrong, though.

Despite starting MMA at 30, Matt Mitrione has had considerable success in both the UFC and Bellator, including knocking out Derrick Lewis in all of 41 seconds, and knocking out a Fedor Emelianeko that wasn't quite as washed-up as people thought back then.

Eryk Anders, despite starting MMA at 25, is a very intriguing prospect and borderline top 10 light heavyweight who arguably beat MMA legend Lyoto Machida.

Even Brendan Schaub, who started MMA at 24 and was a very middling football player, had a respectable 6-5 record within the UFC (4-0 outside it) and a knockout victory over MMA legend Crocop.

Now, can you imagine if any of these guys had started training a martial art at, say, 15 years old?

THAT is what we mean about better athletes getting into MMA.

It's also worth noting that we're not seeing the Khalil Mack's from the NFL in MMA.

The guys who can cut it in the NFL are still in the NFL.

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DC is A-level - he's medaled in international wrestling.
 
Jon Jones has two brothers, and both of them are multi-year starters in the NFL. That is without any room for argument, elite genetics. He is an elite athlete.

Sure, they have great genes, but they also don't believe enough in their athletic ability and technique to compete without PEDs.

To put it another way, if the Jones brothers didn't think PEDs would meaningfully help them, why would they risk getting suspended from competition.

Would Jon Jones look at be as fast and powerful without PEDs? Probably not.
 
Who gives A shit? He's got a list of accolades and UFC title defenses. I dunno what level that is but it's pretty damn good
You get all the gays obsessed with black dudes bouncing balls say otherwise
 
he was a 2 time Olympian in one of the most physically demanding sports. I think that qualifies him as an elite athlete.
 
Mitritone lost to Nelson 3 years into his career by KO

Mitrione lost to Nelson again 8 years into his career

You can't use experience as an excuse with this evidence.

You dont understand athleticism nor the point of this thread.

The fact that was Mitrione able to compete at any level of mma at a professional level AFTER his NFL career washout, after his prime years is an indication of the superior athleticism he and nfl calibre athletes posses.

Mma fighters cannot go into the nfl at 30 after their careers are washed up and compete
 
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