Irish PM to Trump's Face: "St. Patrick Was An Immigrant."

[Fyreborn]

St. Patrick was kidnapped by Irish raiders and initially brought to Ireland as a slave.

I thought referring to slaves as immigrants was bad.

I wasn't previously familiar with St. Patrick's story, but wiki says he escapes his captors and returned home. Then came to Ireland to preach later.

So to me, it sounds like he can still reasonably be called an immigrant.

 

[Fyreborn]

Unequivocally false. It targets the country, temporarily, until the vetting system can be improved. If you are white or a Christian you wouldn't be allowed either, which isn't a big deal since it would've been only 3 months anyway.

Trump said Christian refugees get priority since he thinks they've been persecuted, but that doesn't mean Muslims wouldn't have been able to come in either. Actually read the executive order please.

It's false to say the order targets legal immigrants? What are you taking about?

Hell, the original order targeted legal *residents*! Not even new immigrants.

 

[KONE]

It's false to say the order targets legal immigrants? What are you taking about?

Calling it a "Muslim" ban is false, and even in the context of what I was originally talking about, saying it "targets" legal immigrants is also pretty false. It was a temporary ban. The only thing that was indefinitely banned were Syrian refugees.

If it was a """"""""Muslim ban"""""""""" then he wouldn't accept 50k refugees. I seriously don't think 90% of the people who complain about it actually read the executive order

 

[Fyreborn]

Nah. I'm not an outrage porn kind of guy. I also rarely post in race or immigration threads. I generally don't care much about the topics.

Mostly, I just focus on the utter stupidity of Trumpism. I also spend a fair amount of posts hating on the religious right and CT knobs.

But you don't care. You never fucking actually listen to anyone or anything, so go ahead, pigeonhole the world away.

What's a CT knob?

 

[Fyreborn]

Calling it a "Muslim" ban is false, and even in the context of what I was originally talking about, saying it "targets" legal immigrants is also pretty false. It was a temporary ban. The only thing that was indefinitely banned were Syrian refugees.

If it was a """"""""Muslim ban"""""""""" then he wouldn't accept 50k refugees. I seriously don't think 90% of the people who complain about it actually read the executive order

It's a Muslim ban except for countries with Trump hotels.

Saying it targets legal immigrants is not false. You aren't fooling anybody. As I said, the original order targeted people who were already residents.

I have not read the order but I've read plenty of coverage of it. You're being willfully ignorant about the order, IMO.

 

[KONE]

It's a Muslim ban except for countries with Trump hotels.

This is a long debunked talking point. The list they used was from the previous administration (no, I'm not blaming Obama). Not only did they use a previous list, but doing something like adding Saudi Arabia would've been dumb considering Trump and SA agreed to give refugees safe zones. They also stated they wanted to add more countries to the list anyway.

Saying it targets legal immigrants is not false. You aren't fooling anybody. As I said, the original order targeted people who were already residents.

This stems from me saying Trump doesn't give a shit about legal immigrants, so in that sense, yes it is false. This was a temporary fucking ban. If Trump disliked immigrants he WOULDN'T EVENTUALLY LET THEM IN.

I have not read the order but I've read plenty of coverage of it. You're being willfully ignorant about the order, IMO.

lol

Go read the executive order then. The coverage on it was egregiously misleading. There's some kind of misconception that Trump isn't letting ANY refugees in. He wanted to let in 50k. No one knows this because - wait for it - NO ONE READ THE EXECUTIVE ORDER

 

[luckyshot]

What's a CT knob?

CT= Conspiracy Theory
Knob= Prick

Sandy Hook deniers, Piizzagaters, the Illuminati (now they call the illuminati "the Globalists," but many are still referring to a secret international cabal that controls the financial system is bent on world domination). Basically, anyone who as ever listened to Alex Jones without laughing his ass off.

 

[Fyreborn]

This is a long debunked talking point. The list they used was from the previous administration (no, I'm not blaming Obama). Not only did they use a previous list, but doing something like adding Saudi Arabia would've been dumb considering Trump and SA agreed to give refugees safe zones. They also stated they wanted to add more countries to the list anyway.



This stems from me saying Trump doesn't give a shit about legal immigrants, so in that sense, yes it is false. This was a temporary fucking ban. If Trump disliked immigrants he WOULDN'T EVENTUALLY LET THEM IN.



lol

Go read the executive order then. The coverage on it was egregiously misleading. There's some kind of misconception that Trump isn't letting ANY refugees in. He wanted to let in 50k. No one knows this because - wait for it - NO ONE READ THE EXECUTIVE ORDER

It's temporary but it's still a ban. Even Trump called it a ban.

We were already doing vetting of immigrants from these regions - though Trump propaganda would have you believe we weren't. They will make the standards even tougher, to reduce immigration. He is literally targeting legal immigration, thus you are wrong to say he is only against illegal immigration. The ban's objective is to reduce legal Muslim immigration from countries that don't have Trump hotels.

Even if you agree we should restrict Muslim immigration, you have to acknowledge he is targetting legal immigration.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I wasn't previously familiar with St. Patrick's story, but wiki says he escapes his captors and returned home. Then came to Ireland to preach later.

So to me, it sounds like he can still reasonably be called an immigrant.

Exactly right. But if the Irish PM can use an irrelevant story to score cheap points, why can't I?

I think the real story is that the Irishman tried to embarrass the US president in a situation that provided no gain to Ireland at all. It was irresponsible and undiplomatic. While we are inundated with news that Trump is a buffoon in foreign relations, which I am not disputing overall, here he was by far the less buffoonish statesman involved.

 

[moreorless87]

Not the best example to use considering St Patrick played a part in converting the local population to his religion.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

It's a Muslim ban except for countries with Trump hotels.

Saying it targets legal immigrants is not false. You aren't fooling anybody. As I said, the original order targeted people who were already residents.

I have not read the order but I've read plenty of coverage of it. You're being willfully ignorant about the order, IMO.

So Trump owns hotels in dozens of Muslim countries? And this is the guy we've been painting as anti-Muslim?

I have no idea how many hotels Trump owns and where they are located. But your factual claims seem dubious at best. There are about fifty Muslim majority countries in the world. Does Trump own hotels in the Maldives? Whatever else one thinks about this executive order, it clearly affects a relatively small minority of the Muslim world.

 

[Fanu]

Pretty sure Ireland takes in less immigrants than the Trump-led US, so he should prolly stfu.

check how many brazilians, croatians, spaniards and polish people there are living and working in ireland..

you would be surprised.. but then again, lots of things surprise dumb trump voters lol

 

[original doom]

Who cares.

You plant your flag, you make the rules surely these irish s would understand this.

Irish had no qualms taking farm land from the abos.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

St Patrick immigrated from Roman Britain to Ireland ~400AD? Quick Donald, let the Syrians in!

Also wasn't he kidnapped or something?


Stupidest argument for immigration in the history of mankind congratulations.

Haha ! Yeah, on par with but but crusades I guess.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Who cares.

You plant your flag, you make the rules surely these irish s would understand this.

Irish had no qualms taking farm land from the abos.

Don't know why but I almost spilled coffee on my screen reading this. Don't know why it's funny. Oh it's a slow monday.

 

[tramendous]

That is exactly the reasons I gave in other threads for why he doesn't ban those other countries. And the point is that since he isn't banning those countries, and countries that are the most severe threat for exporting Jihadis, his ban is neither about security nor anti Muslim.

His intent is to bamboozle the grassroots conservatives who like his campaign promise to cease visas to Muslims. He only wants to look like he is doing something, that is his intent. He made the Muslim visa ban during his campaign to get votes, just like he jumped on the Obama birther bandwagon to make a name for himself with the hard-right.

I cant disagree that a big part of it must be to appease his voters or even make it seem that way. But that doesn't change the fact he is trying to settle for the closest thing. To say its neither about muslims or security is false though when the whole point is to try and ban as many Muslims as possible for perceived security purposes.

 

[Fyreborn]

So Trump owns hotels in dozens of Muslim countries? And this is the guy we've been painting as anti-Muslim?

I have no idea how many hotels Trump owns and where they are located. But your factual claims seem dubious at best. There are about fifty Muslim majority countries in the world. Does Trump own hotels in the Maldives? Whatever else one thinks about this executive order, it clearly affects a relatively small minority of the Muslim world.

Actually I think it's middle eastern Muslim countries that this applies to. My mistake.

But the hotel thing was very widely reported at the time of the original ban, so I'm surprised you heard nothing about this?

Edit: A couple links.

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news...countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...the_muslim_ban_with_his_business_in_mind.html

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Actually I think it's middle eastern Muslim countries that this applies to. My mistake.

But the hotel thing was very widely reported at the time of the original ban, so I'm surprised you heard nothing about this?

Edit: A couple links.

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news...countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...the_muslim_ban_with_his_business_in_mind.html

These articles don't support your thesis at all. You claimed that it is a Muslim ban with the exception of Muslim countries that have a Trump hotel. But the articles to which you link show Trump has hotels in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE. Given those facts what we see is that Trump has banned immigrants from six Muslim majority countries, but has excluded three Muslim majority countries where he has hotels and an additional 41 Muslim majority countries where he does not have hotels.

I'm all for a closer look at why Trump excluded Egypt, SA, and the UAE given his business interests there. But your characterization of this limited order as a Muslim ban still doesn't pass muster.

It's a Muslim ban except for countries with Trump hotels.

 

[TheStruggle]

Trump doesn't dislike immigrants in general though, just illegal ones. Seriously, why can't leftists differentiate legal from illegal immigrants? What is the explanation behind this phenomenon?

Thread should have ended here

 

[Fyreborn]

These articles don't support your thesis at all. You claimed that it is a Muslim ban with the exception of Muslim countries that have a Trump hotel. But the articles to which you link show Trump has hotels in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE. Given those facts what we see is that Trump has banned immigrants from six Muslim majority countries, but has excluded three Muslim majority countries where he has hotels and an additional 41 Muslim majority countries where he does not have hotels.

I'm all for a closer look at why Trump excluded Egypt, SA, and the UAE given his business interests there. But your characterization of this limited order as a Muslim ban still doesn't pass muster.

You didn't read very clearly. They listed more countries than that, for instance Tirkey and Azerbaijan, and made clear they weren't listing all Muslim countries with a Trump hotel.

Among those heavily Muslim nations not directly affected by the travel ban: Turkey, where Trump has licensed his name to two luxury towers in Istanbul, as well as to a company that makes home furnishings; the United Arab Emirates, where Trump has his name on a Dubai golf resort and a luxury home development; Saudi Arabia, where the Trump Organization has several LLCs that were likely created as part of a potential hotel deal in Jeddah, the nation’s second-largest city; Egypt, where Trump has at least two companies in his portfolio that suggest he had business interests at one time; Azerbaijan, where Trump licensed his name to a hotel-condo tower that is currently under development; and Indonesia, where Trump Hotels have plans to open two properties

There's also tons of other articles than these two, these were only the first two I found in Google.

Did you seriously never hear about the hotel thing? I find that very surprising.

Also, the fact that the great and conservative Cato Institute is critiquing the stupid ban should really tell you something.