Infowars And Alex Jones Banned On Multiple Online Platforms

[DIDM]

Look at the restrictions which are in place on commercial stations of all types, in all nations, regardless of owner.
That's the product of trying to appeal to as broad an audience as possible and avoiding negative attention which might reflect on the company and it's advertisers.
That's where the majority of the money is.
Of course there will be niche producers addressing niche markets, with advertisers specific to their audiences.
If the software was advanced enough, it's even possible that the same platform could incorporate them all.
After all that's what kicked off youtube's reform. Their inability to give advertisers the degree of control they required over what content their advertising was associated with.

There are countless companies out there, we don’t need to rely on Fortune 500 companies as advertisers.

There will be demand, and where there’s demand someone always steps in

 

[floivanus]

No, but having his affiliates post his livestream is specifically what was mentioned in terms of the final strike on the account and ban. If infowars is banned from livestreaming, shifting all the content over to PrisonPlanet (not sure that he actually did that), or even a less involved affiliate (ie Ron Gibson, which he did), and advertising it as the Infowars live stream is nothing like simply appearing on Jimmy Dore's show.
Of course that's a policy decision, and given the prior criticism for a long time has been that Youtube and Facebook haven't been consistent in applying or enforcing their T&C/"Community Guidelines", perhaps Jones thought they'd let him do it. Either that or he didn't care.

It’s a policy that has literally never been imposed IF it really is a policy. I’ve seen a dozen or more channels, good quality content get strikes, get banned and repost, reupload and continue on with a “backup channel” it has been standard practice for the better part of a decade. Off the top of my head I can name a dozen channels that do it, from guns, to fitness and political commentary it isn’t out of the ordinary to run backup channels.

 

[Ruprecht]

There are countless companies out there, we don’t need to rely on Fortune 500 companies as advertisers.

There will be demand, and where there’s demand someone always steps in

Just look at how desperate Youtube became after a handful of their larger advertisers pulled out.
Think about the difference in scale and ability between community/public radio or TV stations and the commercial stations.
Of course people are already trying to cater to markets which might be excluded. That's why Full30 started up when youtube started cracking down on firearms related videos, and why PornHub has diversified it's content (no linking allowed).
To think that the largest, most commercial platforms will continue to have so few content restrictions is naive. If you've been "online" a while, (since the '80s even, although technically using a dial up BBS isn't the internet, it's close enough), the changes that occur with the mass adoption and commercialisation of technology should come as no surprise.

 

[DIDM]

Just look at how desperate Youtube became after a handful of their larger advertisers pulled out.
Think about the difference in scale and ability between community/public radio or TV stations and the commercial stations.
Of course people are already trying to cater to markets which might be excluded. That's why Full30 started up when youtube started cracking down on firearms related videos, and why PornHub has diversified it's content (no linking allowed).
To think that the largest, most commercial platforms will continue to have so few content restrictions is naive. If you've been "online" a while, (since the '80s even, although technically using a dial up BBS isn't the internet, it's close enough), the changes that occur with the mass adoption and commercialisation of technology should come as no surprise.

We are in time of change, with change comes new ideas, or acceptance of old ideas that were not accepted before.

There will be some company that steps up, I’d bet my life on it.

 

[DIDM]

And like I said, if his numbers are correct, maybe Alex will create said new channel

 

[Ruprecht]

It’s a policy that has literally never been imposed IF it really is a policy. I’ve seen a dozen or more channels, good quality content get strikes, get banned and repost, reupload and continue on with a “backup channel” it has been standard practice for the better part of a decade. Off the top of my head I can name a dozen channels that do it, from guns, to fitness and political commentary it isn’t out of the ordinary to run backup channels.

A lot of their changes are pretty opaque. I don't think they announced when they were going to start issuing strikes for advertising Twitch content either, but that's happened.
I'm not sure when they made the ban on streaming to other channels official policy and started enforcing it, but it's definitely been a while now.

 

[floivanus]

Just look at how desperate Youtube became after a handful of their larger advertisers pulled out.
Think about the difference in scale and ability between community/public radio or TV stations and the commercial stations.
Of course people are already trying to cater to markets which might be excluded. That's why Full30 started up when youtube started cracking down on firearms related videos, and why PornHub has diversified it's content (no linking allowed).
To think that the largest, most commercial platforms will continue to have so few content restrictions is naive. If you've been "online" a while, (since the '80s even, although technically using a dial up BBS isn't the internet, it's close enough), the changes that occur with the mass adoption and commercialisation of technology should come as no surprise.

Pornhub was going to delete inrangetv.... no porn

 

[Ruprecht]

Pornhub deleted inrange tvs account... cuz there was no porn on it

You sure? Looks like at least some of it is still there. It's definitely a problematic, NSFW platform though.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

How about H3 getting in trouble for discussing AJ, and by discussing I mean calling him crazy

YouTube is turning into a shit platform, I see Amazon launching a video streaming platform any day now.

Trump will destroy Bezos any day now. You'll be forced to watch YouTube!

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Jones is a fucking troll imo and I don’t really agree with much if anything he says.

At the same time I’m for freedom of speech, no matter how wrong/misinformed/hateful etc it is.

People need to learn to either ignore speech they don’t agree with, or grow a pair and go debate the person and tell them how/why they are wrong. Censoring them isn’t going to accomplish anything.

No matter how wrong or hateful the speech is? That isn't a good policy.

 

[DIDM]

Trump will destroy Bezos any day now. You'll be forced to watch YouTube!

I already do, what do you mean forced?

I’d bet my life someone steps up, Bezos seems to want to conquer new mediums, that’s why I suggested him, but if Jones in banking hundreds of millions a year, why not start his own platform?

 

[floivanus]

You sure? Looks like at least some of it is still there. It's definitely a problematic, NSFW platform though.

Absolutely sure, that’s why they’re not posting there anymore. I’ve hung out and am going to go shooting with another guntuber that knows and has worked with Ian.
They’re on bitchute and are patreon funded now.

I will say as well, full30 is not economically viable due to the fact that they do not sell their users information like fakebook and youtube do; it’s a pretty well documented thing that youtube wasn’t making any money as late as 2015. The only thing that seemingly changed that was them getting big advertiser money

 

[Ruprecht]

Absolutely sure, that’s why they’re not posting there anymore. PH has said non pornographic videos aren’t welcome there. I’ve hung out and am going to go shooting with another guntuber that knows and has worked with Ian.

Yeah, the channel is about 16 videos behind the youtube, full30 and bitchute channels (1 month).
It doesn't look like any content has been removed though.

 

[floivanus]

Yeah, the channel is about 16 videos behind the youtube, full30 and bitchute channels (1 month).
It doesn't look like any content has been removed though.

Like I said, they weren’t welcome there and the audience really didn’t want to follow them over to that specific site. I know the only reason I know the dude that runs his own channel is because my kids were watching his videos and I made it a mission to let my kids meet somebody they thought was cool and on the youtube.

Also take into account that their target audience is typically “rust belt” or “bible belt” types and they’re really not likely to want to go to that site for gun related content. I believe Ian said the switch was made as sort of a test, or a statement of sorts. I could be mistaken though

 

[Ruprecht]

Like I said, they weren’t welcome there and the audience really didn’t want to follow them over to that specific site. I know the only reason I know the dude that runs his own channel is because my kids were watching his videos and I made it a mission to let my kids meet somebody they thought was cool and on the youtube.

Also take into account that their target audience is typically “rust belt” or “bible belt” types and they’re really not likely to want to go to that site for gun related content. I believe Ian said the switch was made as sort of a test, or a statement of sorts. I could be mistaken though

I can certainly believe it's not a good match for their audience. Even though Karl doesn't really subscribe to typical NRA style firearms identity politics, the audience is going to be a fair whack of the same crowd. It's still listed on the inrange homepage though.
Generally any NSFW platform is going to be an issue for a broader audience.
It still makes a degree of sense that porn and gore sites might expand to host uncensored videos of other kinds which are rejected by mainstream platforms.
I think Full30 is probably too niche to really be viable.

 

[floivanus]

I can certainly believe it's not a good match for their audience. Even though Karl doesn't really subscribe to typical NRA style firearms identity politics, the audience is going to be a fair whack of the same crowd. It's still listed on the inrange homepage though.
Generally any NSFW platform is going to be an issue for a broader audience.
It still makes a degree of sense that porn and gore sites might expand to host uncensored videos of other kinds which are rejected by mainstream platforms.
I think Full30 is probably too niche to really be viable.

I’m not so certain that the narrow target audience and topic (Full30 is supposed to expand to ALL outdoor content creators, hunting fishing, camping, airsoft, firearms etc but I don’t think they have) that are going to hold Full30 back, it’s the unwillingness to sell user data, the desire to keep it mostly ad-free, and the damn name... There’s only one thing that “Full30” denotes, and I hear Tim from Military Arms Channel say it everytime he loads a gun that uses 30 round magazines “let me insert a FULL 30 round magazine” it’s like creating a site called “8 second ride” and opening it up to everybody with the name still in place, it’s out of place and an afterthought, the name makes it obvious what the original content was meant to be.

 

[Ruprecht]

I’m not so certain that the narrow target audience and topic (Full30 is supposed to expand to ALL outdoor content creators, hunting fishing, camping, airsoft, firearms etc but I don’t think they have) that are going to hold Full30 back, it’s the unwillingness to sell user data, the desire to keep it mostly ad-free, and the damn name... There’s only one thing that “Full30” denotes, and I hear Tim from Military Arms Channel say it everytime he loads a gun that uses 30 round magazines “let me insert a FULL 30 round magazine” it’s like creating a site called “8 second ride” and opening it up to everybody with the name still in place, it’s out of place and an afterthought, the name makes it obvious what the original content was meant to be.

Yeah, I don't see any indication that they are serious about it being anything other than a refugee camp for Youtube's Gun Channels.
I can't see anyone successfully mainstreaming a channel if they want to take up the role of a broader uncensored platform with minimal content restrictions.
Any more than you'd see commercial enterprises covering that material on a dial-up BBS in the '80s.
Porn, conspiracy theories, warez, extremist politics, hacking/phreaking, explosives recipes, improvised weapon instructionals, cults, scams etc.
There was plenty of that about, but not so much advertiserments and monetised content.
It's just not the sort of thing you'll see on a mainstream commercial platform.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I already do, what do you mean forced?

I’d bet my life someone steps up, Bezos seems to want to conquer new mediums, that’s why I suggested him, but if Jones in banking hundreds of millions a year, why not start his own platform?

Is he really earning hundreds of millions a year? That's a nice con he has going!

 

[DIDM]

Is he really earning hundreds of millions a year? That's a nice con he has going!

If what he said is true about new subscribers after being deplatformed it’s 140 million in new subscribers, on top of his old subscribers. And the price doubles after the first year

 

[all caps]

If what he said is true about new subscribers after being deplatformed it’s 140 million in new subscribers, on top of his old subscribers. And the price doubles after the first year

Legit?

What is the purpose of that?