India's Military Discussions: Indian Air Force inducts 8 new Apache attack helicopters

Goes Rogue? Lol what does that mean? India is one of the biggest and strongest democratic allies of the US.

Britain is an ally.
Japan is an ally.
Australia is an ally.
South Korea is an ally.
Canada is an ally.

The way I see it, there's no true alliance unless there is at least a defense treaty that goes hands in hands with political cooperations that must result in mutual benefits.

The word "ally" has been throwing around a lot lately for PR purposes, but like half of them, what we have with India now is, at best, a strategic partnership, one that we often juggle with their nemesis Pakistan, who also think we're their "ally". (In case anyone hasn't noticed, we're dropping Pakistan like a rock, btw).

Likewise, India is making their own strategic arrangements with Russia when it suits their interests. The backbone of the modern Indian Army are Russian tanks, for example, and it was procured when the U.S was slapping economic sanctions on Russia left and right.

Once we transfer the entire F-16 production line to this strategic partner, we have to give them the amount of trust that typically expected from a true ally: that they wouldn't turn around and trade our technology to the countries that we frown upon, or refuse to sell and do maintenance work for our other friends that they deems not to the best of Indian interests.
 
As Trump vows to stop flow of jobs overseas,
the Obama administration plans to build F-16 and F/A-18 jet fighters in India

By Annie Gowen
December 5

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NEW DELHI — As a new American president bent on retaining American jobs prepares to take office, the Obama administration and the U.S. defense industry are working on a deal with the Indian government to build iconic U.S. combat aircraft in India.

In recent months, Lockheed Martin and Boeing have made proposals to the Indian government to manufacture fighter jets — the F-16 Fighting Falcon and the F/A-18 Super Hornet — in India as the country seeks to modernize its rapidly aging fleet of largely Russian-built airplanes.

In both cases, the aviation companies would be building production facilities in India; Lockheed Martin proposes to move its entire F-16 assembly line from Texas to India, making India the sole producer of the single-engine combat aircraft.

The U.S. military is phasing out the F-16 for its own use, but other countries remain as likely customers.

The proposals have the strong backing of the Obama administration, which has sought a closer connection with the Indian military in recent years. Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James said she was “optimistic” about the prospect of a deal after a visit to New Delhi in August, and Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter is set to return to India this week, with procurement high atop the list of discussion topics.

But the election of a billionaire businessman focused on keeping jobs at home, rather than creating them overseas, has brought a measure of uncertainty to the talks.

“What will be the U.S. policy posture now that the new president-elect is in the mix?” said one high-level official at an American defense firm in India, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal negotiations. “Is he going to continue the policy of engaging in India on co-
production and co-development? All of those are unknown at this point.”

On Thursday, President-elect Donald Trump appeared at a Carrier plant in Indiana, where his team had brokered a deal to save about 1,000 jobs, and on Sunday he let fire a series of tweets that implied a new tax penalty on goods produced by companies that leave the United States.

“Please be forewarned prior to making a very expensive mistake! THE UNITED STATES IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS,” he tweeted.

On the campaign trail he railed against job losses to Asia and Mexico.

“We are living through the greatest jobs theft in the world,” Trump said last month, citing American companies that have laid off workers and moved jobs to India, Singapore and Mexico. “It’s getting worse and worse and worse.”

Officials at Lockheed Martin and Boeing said that any partnership to manufacture jets in India would not result in a net loss of American jobs but would create Indian employment — about 1,000 positions in the case of Lockheed Martin.

About 300 mechanics on the Fort Worth assembly line would be moved to the F-35 assembly line at the same plant. Others would be given an opportunity to apply for other jobs on the newer F-35, Lockheed officials said, although they concede that some positions would be lost in the move because of attrition or retirements.

“I see this as a great opportunity for all parties involved,” said Randy Howard, director of business development for Lockheed’s integrated fighter group. “It doesn’t take jobs away from the U.S., it extends existing jobs, and not just for Fort Worth but for many other companies around the U.S. that build parts for the F-16.”

Nevertheless, workers in Fort Worth say they are worried about the future.

“Wouldn’t you be?” said Earnest Boone, president of the District Lodge 776, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which represents Lockheed employees.

In October, the Indian government sent a letter to foreign missions and aerospace manufacturers inquiring about single-engine fighter aircraft that could be manufactured locally.

India wants to co-produce the fighter jets as part of its Make in India program, which has the lofty goal of expanding the manufacturing base to 25 percent of the gross domestic product in the next six years.

Nitin Wakankar, a spokesman for India’s Ministry of Defense, said that the process of selecting the new jet “has not started yet,” so answering detailed questions would be premature.

India’s costly earlier effort to partner with the French company Dassault Aviation for 126 jets unraveled, and the government ended up buying only 36 ready-made Rafale planes this year.

Analysts say Lockheed’s main rival in the single-engine sphere is Sweden’s Saab Group and its Gripen fighter. Chicago-based Boeing also has proposed to make its twin engine F/A-18 in India. Boeing recently took a group of Indian defense journalists on a whirlwind tour of Australia and the United States to show off its program.

The U.S. Air Force is phasing out the F-16 in favor of the F-35 aircraft in coming years and the company has no orders for the F-16 beyond October 2017, but it is seeking other customers and does not plan to dismantle the assembly line just yet.

The F-16 airplane remains one of the most widely used aircraft in the world, and Lockheed is continuing to negotiate deals to sell the fighter to other countries. Those F-16s would be made in India under the deal once the new assembly line was up and running, Howard said. The aircraft has been made in joint ventures with other nations before, but “we’ve never offered our only production line to another country,” Howard said. “It’s unprecedented.”

Lockheed has promised that India would not only manufacture and export its jets, but it also would play a “critical role” in supporting a fleet of about 3,200 F-16s in operation around the world, said Jon Grevatt, an Asia Pacific defense industry analyst with IHS Jane’s, a defense analysis firm. “That’s a big carrot,” he noted.

A potential stumbling block to the deal is the willingness of the U.S. government to part with enough of its mission system technology to make the package palatable to the Indians. The aircraft is viewed negatively by some in the defense establishment here as a dated platform that first rolled off the assembly line in 1978 — despite its current state-of-the-art avionics. Another strike against it, for some, is that it is the fighter aircraft used by archrival Pakistan.

“The F-16 is a good aircraft, it has lived its life, but its time is over,” said Muthumanickam Matheswaran, a retired Indian air force air marshal and analyst.

A greater concern, said Pushan Das, a fellow at the Observer Research Foundation in Delhi, is whether “India wants to be seen as close to the United States and building U.S. fighter aircraft, or does it want to be more politically neutral and choose a partner like Sweden, given the fact that New Delhi needs to manage its relationship with Russia and China. That’s the main thing.”

India’s defense procurement typically moves at a glacial pace. Ashley J. Tellis, a scholar for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, wrote in a March paper that the Indian air force is in “crisis” and that its troubled acquisition and development programs threaten its air superiority over rapidly modernizing rivals Pakistan and China. The country hopes to expand its fleet from 36.5 squadrons to as many as 45 squadrons by 2027 — an unlikely prospect, the study found, because of budget constraints, slow procurement and other limitations.

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Meh, outsourcing old outdated tech for $. No big deal.
 
Showdown of America First Versus Make-in-India Looms at Air Show
by Anurag Kotoky, Iain Marlow , and Nc Bipindra
February 13, 2017

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Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp. promised to build plants in India if the world’s biggest arms importer chose their fighter jets and weapons. That was before President Donald Trump’s America First call.

This week will be a test for that promise as the biggest U.S. defense contractors, Russia’s MiG Corp., and Europe’s Airbus SE line up to display their wares at an air show in Bengaluru in southern India.

Even as they compete for deals, they could find themselves torn between Trump’s push for companies to keep jobs in the U.S. -- he has singled out a number of multinational firms on Twitter for public criticism -- and Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s own program that seeks to tie military contracts to some of the manufacturing being done in India.

"All of us in Washington are guessing where Trump is going to land on these issues," said Alyssa Ayres, a senior fellow for India, Pakistan and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. "He has certainly been very clear in his tweets and direct outreach to American companies that he wants to try to ensure that people don’t move production facilities and try to retain jobs in the U.S."

India’s Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar will use the airshow to outline Modi’s plans to boost the domestic defense industry by giving contracts to local companies, as well as asking foreign manufacturers to tie up with Indian firms, according to people familiar with the plan who are not authorized to speak publicly about it.

Modi’s promise to shell out $250 billion in the coming years on fighter jets, submarines, howitzers and helmets to modernize his armed forces came with one call -- Make in India. Sensing an opportunity, local conglomerates Tata Group, Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd. and Larsen & Toubro Ltd. have expanded more into the defense sector and formed joint ventures with international manufacturers.

India, which has traditionally relied on Russia and the former Soviet Union for fighter jets, is increasingly warming to the U.S. In his first phone conversation with Parrikar, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis committed to build upon the “tremendous progress in bilateral defense cooperation made in recent years,” a Pentagon spokesman said last week.

Modi’s domestic manufacturing program is a centerpiece of his economic policy that seeks to boost manufacturing to 25 percent of gross domestic product by 2022 from 18 percent now, and aims to avoid dependence on foreign equipment, particularly in times of war.

French Deal

Lockheed Martin offered to make its F-16 fighter jet in India, after India scrapped an initial tender with Paris-based Dassault Aviation SA for 126 planes. India later decided to directly buy just 36 fighter jets from the French government. That still leaves the country short of planes, meaning potential deals worth billions of dollars are on offer.

Trump’s administration will want to take a fresh look at some of Lockheed’s proposals, including plans to build the F-16 in India, the company said. All previous orders from India have created jobs for Boeing in the U.S., Boeing India President Pratyush Kumar said in an interview. The Chicago-based manufacturer sees no conflict between Trump’s ‘America First’ and Modi’s ‘Make in India’ calls, Kumar said separately on Monday in Bengaluru, adding the company is looking to sell locally made F/A-18 jets in the country.

Making fighter jets in India is viable with an order of 100 aircraft, he said. Boeing is looking forward to Indian Navy’s interest in buying 57 combat planes that can operate from aircraft carriers, he added.

About a third of the nation’s 650 planes are more than 40 years old and set to retire in the next decade. Boeing as well as Sweden’s Saab AB are offering to shift some production to India as they seek to win contracts. Boeing and Lockheed have also been on the receiving end of Trump’s criticism in recent times.

"The politics of it looks bad, in terms of the appearance back in the U.S. -- especially when he’s talking about an America First campaign," said Anit Mukherjee, a former Indian Army major and an assistant professor at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies. "If companies like Lockheed and Boeing go ahead with the Make in India thing -- which in itself is a big question mark -- then perhaps he might intervene on that."

U.S.-India defense ties have grown in recent years, in part as India’s neighbor China has increased its military clout in the region. India has also sought to diversify its sources of arms imports from a Cold War-era reliance on Russian weapons. Saab CEO Hakan Buskhe said Monday that he sees a possible order for more than 100 Gripen fighters from India.

The potential for U.S. companies to win business by manufacturing "not so state-of-the-art" equipment in India could be a trade off for Trump, said Amit Cowshish, a former financial adviser to India’s defense ministry and a fellow with the New Delhi-based Indian Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses.

Trump’s protectionist rhetoric so far seems to be aimed at products consumed in the U.S. and not at jobs created overseas to support a foreign market, said New Delhi-based Ankur Gupta, vice president for aerospace and defense at Ernst & Young.

Still, "he’s completely unpredictable on this," said Mukherjee from RSIS, referring to possible Trump intervention over foreign manufacturing by U.S. firms. "It has a potential to create problems. I’m sure it will be discussed between Indian and U.S. officials."

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Lockheed Martin takes step to produce F-16 in India
By Matthew Clark | Jun 21, 2017

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Aircraft manufacturer Lockheed Martin has inked a letter of intent to produce the F-16 Block 70 fighter jet in India.

The announcement, made at the Paris Air Show, links the Maryland-based company with Tata Advanced Systems Limited, an Indian company that would assist with the production of the fighter in India. The deal is subject to approval by both the U.S. and Indian governments.

The F-16 Block 70 fighter is part of a competition the Indian Air Force is holding for a single-engine fighter. The F-16 is in the competition with the Saab Gripen fighter.

Lockheed Martin’s Greenville Operations facility was recently chosen to be the new location for the company’s F-16 production line, but company officials said this recent deal would have no impact on moving the production to Greenville operations.

“This does not affect our plans to transition F-16 production to Greenville to support emerging F-16 production requirements,” said John Losinger, head of communications for Lockheed Martin’s Integrated Fighter Group.

The move could add between 200-250 new jobs in Greenville. Greenville Operations communication lead Leslie Farmer said in an earlier story, it will take nearly two years to fully transition the production line to Greenville and there was no timeline on when hiring for new positions would take place.

The company will move F-16 production to Greenville and expand its F-35 Joint Strike Fighter assembly line in Fort Worth, according to Orlando Carvalho, executive vice president for Lockheed Martin’s Aeronautics division.

A potential deal with India would be part of the “Make in India” initiative which aims to bolster the country’s manufacturing infrastructure and increase jobs in the manufacturing industry.

“This opportunity represents a unique way to satisfy both the Indian Air Force’s need and the Make in India initiative,” Losinger said.

Lockheed Martin has done co-production deals on the F-16 where the final assembly and check-out would be produced in Fort Worth and other components would be sourced elsewhere. Losinger said the initial aircraft would be built in Greenville, but the details regarding production and a potential agreement with India would have to be ironed out.

“We are just kind of in a wait and see mode,” Losinger said.

Tata Advanced Systems has worked with Lockheed Martin on manufacturing airframe components on the C-130J airlifter and the S-92 helicopter in India.

“Tata has proven though both of those programs that they have the capacity to do this and they would be a strong partner with us,” Losinger said.

He said there has been no timeframe lined out as to when the Indian Air Force will make its decision on a new single-engine fighter.

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Indian Air Force inducts 8 new Apache attack choppers, most advanced combat helicopter to boost air force
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has inducted 8 new Apache attack helicopters in its fleet, giving a major boost to the force's fire power.
September 3, 2019




The Indian Air Force on Tuesday morning inducted 8 Apache helicopters at the Pathankot airbase. The eight fresh US-made Apache AH-64E attack helicopters will give a major boost to the Air Force's combat powers.

Air Force chief Marshal BS Dhanoa was the chief guest at the ceremony at Pathankot airbase. The Air Force chief and Western Air Commander Air Marshal R Nambiar performed a 'pooja' ceremony before the induction at the Pathankot airbase.

India is the 14th nation in the world to be operating the Apache attack helicopters.

IAF spokesperson Anupam Banerjee said, "It is a ceremonial induction of the aircraft into IAF. As of now, we have 8 aircraft. 22 aircraft will come in phased manner and all will be inducted into the IAF. We had attack helicopters earlier, but this aircraft brings in lethal firepower with great accuracy."

The AH-64E Apache is one of the world's most advanced multi-role combat helicopters and is flown by the US Army.



The Apache attack helicopters were given a water salute at the airbase ahead of the induction.

IAF chief Dhanoa said, "The Apache helicopters have been modified according to the needs of the IAF. We are very happy with the scheduled delivery of the helicopters on time."

The IAF had signed a multi-billion dollar contract with the US government and Boeing Ltd in September 2015 for 22 Apache helicopters.

The first four of the 22 helicopters was handed over to the air force by Boeing on July 27.

The delivery of the first batch of Apache helicopters to the IAF at the Hindan air base had come nearly four years after a multi-billion dollar deal for the choppers was sealed.

Additionally, the Defence Ministry in 2017 approved the procurement of six Apache helicopters along with weapons systems from Boeing at a cost of Rs 4,168 crore for the Army.

This will be its first fleet of attack choppers. By 2020, the IAF will operate a fleet of 22 Apaches. These first deliveries were ahead of schedule.

The AH-64E Apache for the Indian Air Force completed successful first flights in July 2018. The first batch of Indian Air Force crew began their training to fly the Apache in the US in 2018.

Senior IAF officials said the addition of the Apache fleet will significantly enhance the force's combat capabilities as the chopper has been customised to suit IAF's future requirements.

Boeing has delivered more than 2,200 Apaches to customers around the world since the aircraft entered production and India is the 14th nation to select it for its military.

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The main incentive was to switch India, one of the largest militaries and arms buyers in the world, to US-made products. The USA wants closer relations with India, and India now wants that as well, to counter China. India has previously been a hugh buyer of Russian made equipment, and mainly its Mig jets. Shifting India to be a buyer of US planes and arms, means they need to be able to repair and maintain these complex machines. This deals allows the US to get a bigger foot in the door, and provides a bigger incentive for India to buy our expensive weapons, and improves relations with an important world power.
 
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