International The Kashmir Powderkeg: India To Strip Contested Region Of Its Autonomy

Team India. Pakistan gets their ass kicked if it comes down to it.
Not a fan of countries who rule by sharia law or by any religion for that matter.
Also it's a numbers game.
Pakistan 182 million
India 1.25 billion
 
Ah fuck it:

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put one of these on them before
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Also save tigers and elephants before, they're cool
 
Well said. I've read that the military is like 40% of their GDP or some crazy number like that. Why would anyone ever create a business in such a volatile environment? The best Pakistani's are in America and Canada.

Not even close. It was 3.6% in 2015.

No one is gonna back down on the Kashmir issue, but it will need to be resolved for the region to thrive.
 
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this thread title made me realize how much i miss the TV show Deadliest Warrior.
 
Those cheering for war best remember Pakistan is a nuclear power.
 
Those cheering for war best remember Pakistan is a nuclear power.

Yes I'm aware of this fact but at this point tired of hearing about Kashmir. India and Pakistan are always "on the brink of war" and have "escalated tensions" and have had "minor clashes." I've heard these stories for 20 years and bored of them. Quit with the foreplay already and go to war. Stfu up and get off the pot. Otherwise Stfu and make peace.
 
Well here's a first look at Trump's Foreign Policy attempt in the area - http://time.com/4587069/donald-trum...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I wonder how India is feeling right about now.
First of all Trump is probably mistaking Pakistanis for Indians and secondly India knows Trump is a one term president who will be around for 4 years so nothing to worry about. Even if Trump miraculously gets elected for 8 years his trade protectionist policies are going to inflame the American relationship with China thus he will have to keep India as a friend in order to counterbalance Asia. His love for the Pakistanis is something out of a game show, nobody believes it nor would his love for India if one existed.
 
In Kashmir, Pakistan and India race to tap the Himalayas with hydroelectric projects
AFP | Sunday 17 December 2017

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Several hundred meters underground, thousands of laborers grind away day and night on a mammoth hydroelectric project in contested Kashmir, where India and Pakistan are racing to tap the subcontinent’s diminishing freshwater supplies.

The arch rivals have been building duelling power plants along the banks of the turquoise Neelum River for years.

The two projects, located on opposite sides of the Line of Control — the de facto border in Kashmir — are now close to completion, fueling tensions between the neighbors with Pakistan particularly worried their downstream project will be deprived of much-needed water by India.

The Himalayan region of Kashmir is at the heart of a 70-year conflict between the nuclear-armed foes, with both sides laying claim to the conflict-riven territory.

The rivalry on the Neelum is underlined by both countries’ unquenchable need for freshwater, as their surging populations and developing economies continue to stress already diminished waters tables.

This situation represents a serious challenge to Pakistan’s food security and long-term growth, its central bank recently warned in a report.
The geography of the wider region only exacerbates the problem.

The Indus River — into which the waters of the Neelum ultimately flow — is one of the longest on the continent, cutting through ultra-sensitive borders in the region.

It rises in Tibet, crosses Kashmir and waters 65 percent of Pakistan’s territory, including the vast, fertile plains of Punjab province — the country’s bread basket — before flowing into the Indian Ocean.

The Indus Water Treaty, painfully ratified in 1960 under the auspices of the World Bank, theoretically regulates water allocation between the countries and is considered a rare diplomatic success story amid a bitter history.

It provides India with access to three eastern rivers (the Beas, Ravi and Sutlej) and Pakistan with three in the west (the Indus, Chenab and Jhelum), while setting the conditions for water usage.

As a tributary of the Jhelum River, the Neelum theoretically falls into Pakistan’s sphere, which launched the Neelum-Jhelum power plant project a quarter of a century ago to counter the legal, but competing Kishanganga project in Indian Kashmir.

At the confluence of the Neelum and Jhelum, the gigantic underground cathedral of concrete and steel is near completion — the four generators are in place, waiting for the transformers and the network to be connected.

More than 6,000 Pakistani and Chinese workers busy themselves in the 28 kilometers (17 miles) of underground tunnels or in the power station itself, buried under 400 meters of rock in the heart of the Himalayas.

After completion, the dam is expected to churn out 969 MW of electricity by mid-2018.

“It is a fantastic feeling to see the outcome of such a historic project,” enthused Arif Shah, an engineer working on the site for eight years.

“We hope to finish our hydroelectric plant before the Indians,” he smiles, while acknowledging that the real pressure comes from Islamabad, which has promised to end the debilitating power cuts nationwide ahead of the the 2018 elections.

On the Indian side, the Kishanganga power station is also in its final phase, but has delayed its late 2017 completion date, according to an official, in part because of ongoing unrest in the Kashmir valley.

Pakistan has filed cases at the World Bank against India and the Neelum dam, which it says will unfairly restrict the amount of water headed downstream.

According to the plant’s director Nayyar Aluddin, the production of electricity could shrink by 10-13 percent because of the Indian project.
But the hydroelectric projects on the Neelum River are only one of several points of friction between the two countries as the Indus Treaty faces increasingly pressing disputes.

Beyond the technical bickering, Islamabad is especially afraid of India cutting into its precious water supplies during strategic agricultural seasons that are key to feeding the country’s 207 million residents.

The possibility of hitting Pakistan’s food supply is regularly amped up by both Indian and Pakistani media, stretching perennially taut relations.
India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi hinted at such reprisals following an attack in Indian Kashmir blamed on Pakistani insurgents in September 2016.

“Blood and water can’t flow together,” he said.

However, a blockade of any significant magnitude is not really technically feasible, while neither party has seriously sought to challenge the Treaty of the Indus.

“The disputes over the barrages are mostly symptoms of poor bilateral relationships,” said Gareth Price, a researcher at Chatham House.

The problem is that the rival countries conceive water as a zero-sum game — if one taps the resource, it means they are lost to the other.

But Islamabad must do its part, wrote Neil Buhne, UN coordinator in Pakistan, in an op-ed calling for the country to diversify “its water resources” while reigning in inefficiencies that wastes water.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1210356/business-economy
 
It' good we stopped funding Pakistani terrorism. Now if we could do the same to Saudi I would be impressed.
 
How people in India see Pakistan, 70 years after partition
By Hanyu Chwe | December 7, 2017

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In the 70 years since the partition of India, the relationship between India and Pakistan has often centered on the disputed border region of Kashmir. A recent Pew Research Center report examined attitudes in India on a range of subjects, including Pakistan and the handling of the Kashmir dispute.

Here are some key findings from the Center’s recent survey:

1. People in India have grown increasingly negative in their views of Pakistan.

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As of spring 2017, 72% of Indians see Pakistan unfavorably. Almost two-thirds (64%) have a very unfavorable view of Pakistan, the highest level recorded since Pew Research Center began measuring in 2013. This dislike cuts across party lines: Supporters of the Bharatiya Janata Party and the rival Indian National Congress party both have a very unfavorable view of Pakistan (70% and 63%, respectively). Only 10% of Indians see Pakistan favorably.


2. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s approach to Pakistan isn’t popular, but his handling of Kashmir is.

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Modi has shown a willingness to use both diplomacy and military force to engage Pakistan. But despite Modi’s overall popularity in India (88% see him favorably), only 21% of Indians approve of the way he is handling relations with Pakistan. This has stayed roughly constant since 2015, when the question was first asked. In contrast, a clear majority (60%) of Indians approve of Modi’s approach toward Kashmir. Indians ages 18 to 29 are more likely to approve of Modi’s management of the Kashmir situation than those ages 50 and older (64% versus 51%).


3. Roughly six-in-ten Indians (62%) say the situation in Kashmir is a very big problem.

However, this measure is down slightly from 68% in 2015. Indians overwhelmingly say the Indian government should be using more military force than it is using now to deal with the situation in Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian state that is home to the disputed Kashmir territory: 63% support more force and only 8% say less military force should be used.


4. Northern Indians see Pakistan and Modi’s handling of Kashmir differently than those in the rest of the country.

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Indians who live closer to Pakistan – those in Delhi, Haryana, Madhya Pradesh, Punjab, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh – are more likely to view Pakistan very unfavorably (69%) than people who live elsewhere (61%). It’s possible that Indians in these areas feel more threatened by Pakistan or the conflict in Kashmir: 81% of northerners see terrorism as a very big problem, compared with 74% elsewhere in India. Indians in the north are harsher on Modi when it comes to Kashmir: Roughly half (51%) approve of his handling of the Kashmir situation, compared with nearly two-thirds (65%) in the rest of India.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-india-see-pakistan-70-years-after-partition/
 
Team India. Pakistan gets their ass kicked if it comes down to it.
Not a fan of countries who rule by sharia law or by any religion for that matter.
Also it's a numbers game.
Pakistan 182 million
India 1.25 billion

Pakistan has over 200 million people now and will probably target indian food supplies/agriculture a real big war between them i bet more indians die then pakistanis.

india also has close to 200 million muslims.
 
Not much of a powderkeg - Pakistan knows it would get its shit pushed in by India, won't start anything anytime soon.

I hope not. A scrap between the two could spiral quickly.
 
Is there a place in the world where Muslims in large numbers peacefully coexist with non Muslims?
 
How people in India see Pakistan, 70 years after partition
By Hanyu Chwe | December 7, 2017

India.jpg

In the 70 years since the partition of India, the relationship between India and Pakistan has often centered on the disputed border region of Kashmir. A recent Pew Research Center report examined attitudes in India on a range of subjects, including Pakistan and the handling of the Kashmir dispute.

Here are some key findings from the Center’s recent survey:

1. People in India have grown increasingly negative in their views of Pakistan.

FT_17.12.06_india-pakistan_unfavorableViews.png


As of spring 2017, 72% of Indians see Pakistan unfavorably. Almost two-thirds (64%) have a very unfavorable view of Pakistan, the highest level recorded since Pew Research Center began measuring in 2013. This dislike cuts across party lines: Supporters of the Bharatiya Janata Party and the rival Indian National Congress party both have a very unfavorable view of Pakistan (70% and 63%, respectively). Only 10% of Indians see Pakistan favorably.


2. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s approach to Pakistan isn’t popular, but his handling of Kashmir is.

FT_17.12.06_india-pakistan_Modi-Kashmir.png


Modi has shown a willingness to use both diplomacy and military force to engage Pakistan. But despite Modi’s overall popularity in India (88% see him favorably), only 21% of Indians approve of the way he is handling relations with Pakistan. This has stayed roughly constant since 2015, when the question was first asked. In contrast, a clear majority (60%) of Indians approve of Modi’s approach toward Kashmir. Indians ages 18 to 29 are more likely to approve of Modi’s management of the Kashmir situation than those ages 50 and older (64% versus 51%).


3. Roughly six-in-ten Indians (62%) say the situation in Kashmir is a very big problem.

However, this measure is down slightly from 68% in 2015. Indians overwhelmingly say the Indian government should be using more military force than it is using now to deal with the situation in Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian state that is home to the disputed Kashmir territory: 63% support more force and only 8% say less military force should be used.


4. Northern Indians see Pakistan and Modi’s handling of Kashmir differently than those in the rest of the country.

FT_17.12.06_india-pakistan_north.png


Indians who live closer to Pakistan – those in Delhi, Haryana, Madhya Pradesh, Punjab, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh – are more likely to view Pakistan very unfavorably (69%) than people who live elsewhere (61%). It’s possible that Indians in these areas feel more threatened by Pakistan or the conflict in Kashmir: 81% of northerners see terrorism as a very big problem, compared with 74% elsewhere in India. Indians in the north are harsher on Modi when it comes to Kashmir: Roughly half (51%) approve of his handling of the Kashmir situation, compared with nearly two-thirds (65%) in the rest of India.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-india-see-pakistan-70-years-after-partition/

So same as Israel
Is there a place in the world where Muslims in large numbers peacefully coexist with non Muslims?

Kazakhstan, Russia (except chechyna and dagestani for most part), Azerbaijan. Former Soviet states cause the Islam much weakened but at same time they not have many non Muslim around except in Kazakhstan.

Albania to
 
So same as Israel


Kazakhstan, Russia (except chechyna and dagestani for most part), Azerbaijan. Former Soviet states cause the Islam much weakened but at same time they not have many non Muslim around except in Kazakhstan.

Albania to

I come from a former Soviet State. In the 90s we had a bunch of refugees from Chechnya and Dagestan, thankfully it was very few. Still caused a lot of problems for everyone.
 
Yes I'm aware of this fact but at this point tired of hearing about Kashmir. India and Pakistan are always "on the brink of war" and have "escalated tensions" and have had "minor clashes." I've heard these stories for 20 years and bored of them. Quit with the foreplay already and go to war. Stfu up and get off the pot. Otherwise Stfu and make peace.
This kind of thinking would have gotten the world blown up like 95 times over during the Cold War.

How people in India see Pakistan, 70 years after partition
By Hanyu Chwe | December 7, 2017

India.jpg

In the 70 years since the partition of India, the relationship between India and Pakistan has often centered on the disputed border region of Kashmir. A recent Pew Research Center report examined attitudes in India on a range of subjects, including Pakistan and the handling of the Kashmir dispute.

Here are some key findings from the Center’s recent survey:

1. People in India have grown increasingly negative in their views of Pakistan.

FT_17.12.06_india-pakistan_unfavorableViews.png


As of spring 2017, 72% of Indians see Pakistan unfavorably. Almost two-thirds (64%) have a very unfavorable view of Pakistan, the highest level recorded since Pew Research Center began measuring in 2013. This dislike cuts across party lines: Supporters of the Bharatiya Janata Party and the rival Indian National Congress party both have a very unfavorable view of Pakistan (70% and 63%, respectively). Only 10% of Indians see Pakistan favorably.


2. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s approach to Pakistan isn’t popular, but his handling of Kashmir is.

FT_17.12.06_india-pakistan_Modi-Kashmir.png


Modi has shown a willingness to use both diplomacy and military force to engage Pakistan. But despite Modi’s overall popularity in India (88% see him favorably), only 21% of Indians approve of the way he is handling relations with Pakistan. This has stayed roughly constant since 2015, when the question was first asked. In contrast, a clear majority (60%) of Indians approve of Modi’s approach toward Kashmir. Indians ages 18 to 29 are more likely to approve of Modi’s management of the Kashmir situation than those ages 50 and older (64% versus 51%).


3. Roughly six-in-ten Indians (62%) say the situation in Kashmir is a very big problem.

However, this measure is down slightly from 68% in 2015. Indians overwhelmingly say the Indian government should be using more military force than it is using now to deal with the situation in Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian state that is home to the disputed Kashmir territory: 63% support more force and only 8% say less military force should be used.


4. Northern Indians see Pakistan and Modi’s handling of Kashmir differently than those in the rest of the country.

FT_17.12.06_india-pakistan_north.png


Indians who live closer to Pakistan – those in Delhi, Haryana, Madhya Pradesh, Punjab, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh – are more likely to view Pakistan very unfavorably (69%) than people who live elsewhere (61%). It’s possible that Indians in these areas feel more threatened by Pakistan or the conflict in Kashmir: 81% of northerners see terrorism as a very big problem, compared with 74% elsewhere in India. Indians in the north are harsher on Modi when it comes to Kashmir: Roughly half (51%) approve of his handling of the Kashmir situation, compared with nearly two-thirds (65%) in the rest of India.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-india-see-pakistan-70-years-after-partition/

Jeez, Pakistan is roughly as unpopular in most of India as Trump is in America...
 
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