In The Middle of Fires, Trump Blames California, Threatens to Cut Federal Funding

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  1. Corona

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    Hundreds of thousands evacuated, thousands of homes lost, people dying, and this is what we get. Class act.

     
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    He could be right, I don't know. Are you up on forestry and the mistakes that may or may not be happening in California? It would be interesting if someone can speak up about what can be done to reduce these massive fires California has all the time.
     
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    Revolver you sound poor Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Trump spewing his nonsense again. He knows nothing about this.
     
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    How classless can you be....
     
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    tehJameson Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    There's no end to his stupidity.
     
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    Yea TS he should wait till the fires burn out to talk policy it’s not like he’s the president but keep trying to pull heart strings. We should wait until wars are over to figure war polices too
     
  7. Corona

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    The majority of forest in California are managed by the federal government. On top of that they’re started by weather conditions that can’t be controlled. This is like blaming Florida or Georgia for hurricanes. Completely ignorant and insincere.
     
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    SongXIII Red Belt Platinum Member

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    He never misses an opportunity to say something stupid. “Talk less, smile more” Mr. President.
     
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  9. MusterX

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    I don't know much about it, I don't live in California but there are methods.

    With climate change, wildfires threaten disaster and chaos in more California communities, more often. But experts say it’s possible to avoid catastrophic harm to human and forest health by setting planned burns before human error, lightning or arson choose when fires start.

    “Putting prescribed fire back out on the landscape at a pace and scale to get real work done and to actually make a difference is a high priority,” says Cal Fire chief Ken Pimlott. “It really is, and it's going to take a lot of effort.”

    'Unprecedented Catastrophe'

    In a February report, the watchdog Little Hoover Commission concluded that the way California landowners have collectively managed forests is an “unprecedented catastrophe.” In May, Gov. Jerry Brown issued an executive order to improve forest management, and with it, a dramatic change.

    Now Pimlott says that Cal Fire intends to triple the amount of prescribed fire on lands the state controls.
    https://kqed.org/science/1927354/co...-fire-problem-so-why-arent-there-more-of-them
     
  10. spin_

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    What a fucking idiot
     
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  11. Corona

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    If his policy actually was valid then maybe. The forest is managed by the federal government then Malibu and Thousand Oaks arent event forests. So on top of looking insincere he looks like an idiot.
     
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    trump is the kind of guy that would rather look like a fool than admit that he doesn't know what he is talking about
     
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    Revolver you sound poor Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    We all know that if the GOAT state was red he would have something different to say. This is why we need more players to kneel for the anthem
     
  15. Corona

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    From the same article.

    Easier Said Than Done

    U.S. Forest Service wildland firefighters hacked a line into the earth, around a patch of land on the Yuba River District near Pendola, overlooking Bullard’s Bar for one day of work. A “hot shot” crew and crew members from two engine companies gathered for the day’s work.

    “This day started a few years back,” Jennifer Hinckley laughs dryly. Hinckley is a fire and fuels specialist for the Tahoe National Forest. And she does a lot of paperwork: before the first torch even can drip fire on the ground, federal law requires extensive environmental review.

    Even with approval, federal wildland managers waited months for the right weather and environmental conditions here. Hinckley says those criteria range from wind speed and temperature, to how much water is in the soil. It was a very wet spring; on-and-off rains created several months of delay here.

    Thick vegetation in the understory is a limiting factor, too. Hinckley says her crews often need to chop and flatten vegetation to make safe conditions for burning.

    Even when all of the stars align, Hinckley says she might not have warm bodies for the job. That happened last fall, when fires up and down the state kept fire crews hamstrung.

    “I didn't have crews to perform prescribed burns," she says, "because the wildfires take priority.”

    Even when the permit is done and the weather is right and crews are available, the air might already be too polluted to add more smoke to the mix. Air regulators grant permission for burn days, and it’s hard to get: regional atmospheric conditions mean that smoke from Sierra Nevada forests funnels toward the central valley, where air pollution is consistently bad.
     
  16. Thepaintbucket

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    What's next, is he going to blame Australia for their brush fires? Lol..

    So let's say he's correct. What should the forest management do to prevent future wild fires? Wild fires can spread through human activity or naturally occurring events like the sun or lighting strikes. On top of that you cannot control drought conditions or the wind either.
     
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    This article was from July. Has it rained anywhere in California since then? Has it even cooled off? I was in San Francisco at the end of October and it was T shirt weather, and SF is supposed to be the cool foggy city in California.

    "A seemingly never-ending heatwave has put many cities in the state on track to set records in July — and that’s just part of the issue. Each year brings some new heat record in California, and the accumulation of year after year of sweltering summers has created dry grass, brush and millions of dead trees that spread fires at explosive rates. And this summer in particular, heat waves have exacerbated the issue.

    “We don’t have what we need,” says McLean, of Cal Fire. “California overall needs to have several years of significant weather in the winters to bring it back on the plateau.”

    Urban development in vulnerable areas can make fires more devastating, and many of the state’s most destructive fires were started by humans...

    A hot summer isn’t unusual, he says. It’s the consistent heat wave that is.

    Those same temperatures have created hoards of dry brush and grass, making more fuel for a fire to burn through quickly. Intense heat has dried out the typically damp vegetation in the understory of a forest. “There’s nothing to stop a fire; almost everything becomes flammable when conditions are this extreme,” says Jessica Halofsky, a fire research ecologist at the University of Washington.

    Not only are the days hotter, but, so are the nights, says Swain. Those typically cooler hours are critical in fire-suppression efforts, allowing firefighters to get closer to the flames. But the temperatures aren’t falling as much as they used to, Swain says, and “that does directly play into fire behavior at night.”

    Max Moritz, a specialist in cooperative extension at the University of California’s Division of Agriculture and Natural Resource, says hotter temperatures have made fire seasons longer, too. Scientists see a direct link between rising temperatures and the amount of dry brush and ample fuel, which makes the fires fast-moving and often more explosive."

    http://time.com/5353986/california-wildfire-2018-season/
     
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  18. spin_

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    i love how you can post that sincerely, and leave out mentioning how the entire rest of the article points out how next to impossible it is to do that in California.

    nothing but a Trump boot licker
     
  19. MusterX

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    Yep, I read it. That's probably why the Governor issued an executive order to improve forest management after the Little Hoover Commission concluded that California land owners had collectively managed the forests into a catastrophe. Like I said I don't live in California so I really don't know but the Governor seems to agree that the management of forests in California has not been correctly done.
     
  20. MusterX

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    Don't be hysterical. It may be possible that your hared of Trump has caused you to fail your due diligence on the topic. The gdamn governor of the state agreed that the forests were not managed properly and issued an executive order to try to start fixing it, but don't let reality creep in on you or anything.
     

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