In terms of talent and skill level Gustafsson is at the same level as Jones

Bill Laimbeer said:
He lost to the 4 best fighters he faced, Jones beat all the best fighters he faced....so no.
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And JDS has beat more top fighters than Cain by miles.

This raises and interesting question.

Does how they pair up against each other decide who is the better fighter? Or is how they match up against the rest of the world decide who is the better fighter?

Plays into the 'styles make fights' phrase.
 
bambammccoy said:
He ate 5 Sig strikes a round because it was a dreadfully slow paced fight where the supposed goat struggled with a one armed mediocre fighter.

It's probably the only Jones fight people don't really care to rewatch because of how underwhelming it was.

The only fight Jones has proven to fight clean he looked winded and struggled with mediocre competition. Even Winklejohn talked about how disappointed he was in Jones performance and how he should have finished him. Greg Jackson said he was extremely displeased with Jones cardio and endurance in that fight.

But you have a much higher quality of opinion than his head coaches right? Lol
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Yup it was a year off and sudden opponent. Only fight "proven clean" lmao!!! That was his 22nd fight
Lol!!!

I dont have a "higher" opinion than Jackson. Jackson is his coach, Im a student and fan of martial arts

And that was a clinic.
 
ermac88 said:
Yup it was a year off and sudden opponent. Only fight "proven clean" lmao!!! That was his 22nd fight
Lol!!!

I dont have a "higher" opinion than Jackson. Jackson is his coach, Im a student and fan of martial arts

And that was a clinic.
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He was clearly on peds his whole career OR atleast most of it. It's practically proven LOL!!!!

You say your opinion isn't of higher quality than his head coaches then oppose their opinions right after LMAO!!!!!

It was not a performance a GOAT should have. It's like Conor getting Cody Pfister on short notice then winning each round by a mere few strikes without severely hurting Cody at all.

It's like TJ fighting Soto except he brutalized Soto and finished him brutally after dominating every round.

Edit: Lol!!!
 
bambammccoy said:
He was clearly on peds his whole career OR atleast most of it. It's practically proven LOL!!!!

You say your opinion isn't of higher quality than his head coaches then oppose their opinions right after LMAO!!!!!

It was not a performance a GOAT should have. It's like Conor getting Cody Pfister on short notice then winning each round by a mere few strikes without severely hurting Cody at all.

It's like TJ fighting Soto except he brutalized Soto and finished him brutally after dominating every round.

Edit: Lol!!!
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Umm he irrefutably dominated the fight incurring zero damage, masterful performance.

His coach will hold him to the utmost highest standard so of course hell have a different opnion than a fan/student.

Clearly on PEDS his whole career when he never failed a test previously. That, makes perfect sense....
 
Gustaffson had the fight of his life, facing Jones at far from his best and he still lost.
 
Zanmato said:
Gustaffson had the fight of his life, facing Jones at far from his best and he still lost.
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I think Jones looked past him, Gustafsson was a huge underdog at the time and hadn’t been up against anyone near Jones level before
 
bambammccoy said:
Neither do i. I expect the consensus GOAT to not struggle with a mediocre fighter. A handicapped mediocre fighter at that.

It was apparent he was playing it as safe as he could and still ate plenty of shots from a mediocre fighter. Even him playing it safe barely worked each round against a 1 armed fighter.
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Wait, did you just say that he struggled with OSP?

What fight did you watch lmao
 
ermac88 said:
Umm he irrefutably dominated the fight incurring zero damage, masterful performance.

His coach will hold him to the utmost highest standard so of course hell have a different opnion than a fan/student.

Clearly on PEDS his whole career when he never failed a test previously. That, makes perfect sense....
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Dominated? He inflicted hardly any damage to OSP. I don't know what you think dominate means but it isn't squeaking out a round at a time in an uneventful, underwhelming performance against a one armed journeyman.

His coach holds him to the highest standard? Lmao you can't be serious. Never have I actually heard that. Coaches are biased towards their fighters 10 out of 10 times including a money maker like Jones. Quit calling yourself a student it's so laughable.

Randy Couture never failed a test either. Neither has Erick Silva. Yoel never failed a test before he used the same excuse as Jones and is 40 with a better physique than majority of UFC. Lombard has only failed one test, I guess he was clean his entire career. Johny Hendricks has never failed a test either.

You are so biased and delusional it is laughable.

Jones isn't nearly as good without peds like any other ped user. His teammates, his family, his lifting Coaches, lifting mates, all known ped users. But not Jones lmao.
 
ortizgnp said:
Wait, did you just say that he struggled with OSP?

What fight did you watch lmao
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The one where a journeyman with one arm was able to land on him consistently.

He won every round, doesn't mean he dominated every minute or every exchange. There is a reason he barely did enough to win each round against a 1 armed mediocre fighter lol
 
bambammccoy said:
The one where a journeyman with one arm was able to land on him consistently.
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Yea, OSP landed about 10 strikes per round. At least that was consistent, right?

bambammccoy said:
He won every round, doesn't mean he dominated every minute or every exchange.
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He won as comfortable as possible, after a long layoff and a change of opponent. You can definitely say it was a dominant win. OSP wasn't a threat anywhere.

bambammccoy said:
There is a reason he barely did enough to win each round against a 1 armed mediocre fighter lol
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Tell us.

 
ortizgnp said:
Yea, OSP landed about 10 strikes per round. At least that was consistent, right?



He won as comfortable as possible, after a long layoff and a change of opponent. You can definitely say it was a dominant win. OSP wasn't a threat anywhere.



Tell us.
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And Jones landed not much more lol except Jones is the GOAT and OSP is a mediocre fighter. But wait there's more, he had one arm.

He won as comfortable as possible? You mean barely warning 10-9 rounds without a single 10-8 and not hurting OSP one bit? The goat couldn't dominate a single round against such favorable circumstances. It's like TJ Dillashaw scheduled to face Cody again, then is given Rani Yayah. Struggles to secure each round and plays it safe and is boring as hell. Everyone would shit on TJ lol the short notice opponent is garbage when your original opponent is the 2nd best in the division to a mediocre journeyman.

Why? Because he didn't have peds. If he had peds he probably would have atleast rocked a one armed mediocre fighter.
 
bambammccoy said:
And JDS has beat more top fighters than Cain by miles.

This raises and interesting question.

Does how they pair up against each other decide who is the better fighter? Or is how they match up against the rest of the world decide who is the better fighter?

Plays into the 'styles make fights' phrase.
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Not really at all, perhaps Jones undertrained for Gus and smashes him in a rematch.
 
Gus has the tools to give Jones trouble but he isn't his equal
Gus would have overcame DC if they were equal

Jones is great enough to overcome a bad fight stylistically, Gus is not.
 
Bill Laimbeer said:
Not really at all, perhaps Jones undertrained for Gus and smashes him in a rematch.
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That is pure speculation though. There is alot of things that point to Gus having all the right tools both physically and technique wise to give Jones a fight and possibly beat him.
 
Had to panic wrestle against Blackowics or however you spell his name
 
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