If Michael Bisping had the balls to fight Ronaldo Souza. | Page 2

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  1. Threetrees Its not that deep

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    No, you're incorrect. Spots give fans en masse what they want, and fans can only speak their minds through choosing to consume, or not consume. You specifically don't matter, the majority does. If a significant quantity of MMA fans decided they weren't going to watch MMA for whatever reason, that's what makes change - not your complaining.

    And your comparison here holds no merit. You switched to using the comparison of the NFL (which holds no analogous relationship to Bisping as an individual fighter).
    Of COURSE the UFC owes something to the fans, the FIGHTER does not. The UFC owes making the best fights that the most people will want to watch, the fighter owes himself picking what's best for him, and the promoter will have to hope their priorities overlap to give the fans a product. Much like your NFL analogy, the UFC is trying to make the best viewing experience. But an NFL coach who puts it in his best interest to do whatever he needs to fulfill getting to the Superbowl has no obligation to run and gun or throw 50 passes just because it's more fun, and a player has no obligation to run into the biggest lineman rather than shooting the A gap because people like to see hits.

    If you don't like a team in the NFL, you can choose not to watch them. If you don't like a fighter, you can choose not to watch them. And if you and others who are so up in arms actually did that, and it was a majority of significant maybe the UFC would get the message.
     
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  2. benebox Purple Belt

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    Only Souza would have mauled him. Whittaker >>>> Bisping.
     
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  3. The Natural Born Runner Pass me the scalpel, I'll make an incision...

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    You say "my complaining" like I'm some sort of minority in this instance. 99% of the MMA community have an issue with Bisping's fight with St. Pierre and would much prefer a fight against Romero etc.

    The fighter doesn't owe anything to the fans? You silly, silly person.

    The fighter only gets paid the amount he/she does if people tune in or buy tickets. The product isn't free, the NFL on the whole is, so if anything they should be more nonchalant when it comes to making changes for the fans. Conor McGregor isn't a multi-millionaire without the fans, the UFC is unable to charge tickets starting at £280 if it's not for Conor and therefore Conor doesn't get the pay-day without fan input. Who buys PPVs? Fans. Yet the fighters don't owe the fans lol!?

    Tell Jake Shields and Jon Fitch that. Perhaps if they had more FANS then them being elite fighters on their day might actually matter to organizations like the UFC.
     
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  4. Threetrees Its not that deep

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    You're still wrong. And you're really just proving my point.
    Jake Shields and Jon Fitch fought how they wanted to fight, they were both succesful made a lot of money but because fighters talk with their checkbooks AND the private institution does owe the fans a good product, they fired the guys. Had they been more popular they could have stayed, or they could have lost earlier and been cut anyway, or they could have made less money. They choose the route of fighting safe and "boring" (I personally like both) and they lived with the results. That doesn't mean they owe you anything.

    Conor McGregor is rich and famous because he fought, promoted and competed MORE than anyone else. He doesn't owe the fans anything, he's not fighting for the fans - he's fighting in the way that makes him the most money which is what intersects with what the fans want to see.

    You're not combining the idea of value with 'oweing'. Fighters will fight however they want and determine their own priorities, they owe you nothing. If they fight exciting it's because they know you'll pay to watch them later on, it's a form of self promotion. You mean shit to them.

    If fans who complained about these things actually spoke with their checkbooks, we wouldn't have these issues. People bitching about GSP/BIsping are still going to watch the fight and shell out money for it. And then they're going to wonder why Bisping/Anderson or GSP/Anderson happens next for the belt.

    The idea that they would sacrifice their own self interests for your enjoyment is one I can't wrap my head around people actually believing. They will do what's best for them. For some guys that'll make them exciting, for some that'll make them frustrating. You have the right to tell the UFC which you like more.
     
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  5. aichokyu Brown Belt

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    it is the fans fault for accepting this and still buying PPV's of those ducking champs.

    the only way to coerce the organisation into changing it's matchmaking policy is by the hurting their wallet.
    but most of today's fans don't care about real sports competition, they just want to see the best trash talkers fight each other.

    I blame this on too much reality tv and WWE when they were children (hopefully they don't keep watching that shit as adults)
     
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  6. Johnny2fists weak

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    If you think Bisping ducks anyone you are a keyboard warrior who knows nothing about the sport.

    Like him or hate him Bisping has balls like not many else in the game.
     
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  7. GrewUpSlapBoxin Purple Belt

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    Like this guy?

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  8. campbecc Silver Belt

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    Jacare would most likely beat Bisping.
     
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  9. campbecc Silver Belt

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    He's not afraid to fight them, but he does duck them because he thinks he'll likely lose and it will cost him a lot of money.
     
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  10. The Natural Born Runner Pass me the scalpel, I'll make an incision...

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    He beat the biggest name in the sport, a tad different, wouldn't you say?
     
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  11. Turtlejuice Free Wang

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    If Bisping had knocked out Jacare, then Romero, then Whittaker, people would find someone else for him to be ducking, or find something else to bitch about.
     
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    In basically an exhibition match, where both fighters were unranked...

    Bisping won the MW title in that short noticed fight.

    A little different, wouldnt you say?

    Its ok, u praise one fighter for something and use the same reasoning to put down another, we get it.

    Hypocracy at its finest.
     
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    You don't have to, just stop watching. It's pretty simple
     
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    There goes the Payday for the UFC as well as Bisping if he loses to Jacare. Jacare isn't selling PPVs for the UFC and they know it.
     
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  16. thobra Black Belt

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    Yes, a champion can not turn down an opponent. They accept who they put in front of them. Nick Diaz is not champ, and not an active fighter. They give him fights he wants, because they want him back. Just like they wanted GSP back, so they gave him the opponent he wanted.


    I think you needed the fatherly advice: Fighting in the UFC is a job. You will accept a higher salary if you have the posdibility. You Are very naive if you think anyone in the UFC would turn down GSP in his comeback fight anyway. Do you think Jacare would turn it down?
     
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  17. thobra Black Belt

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    Who will remember him for that? Some kids at a forum, And a couple of aging envious brazilians that never made it?

    In Britain, by his family And friends, by the mma community And by the history books, he will be remembered as the first Brit that really made it. That won TUF, that competed in two weightclasses, that became champion in all the orgs he fought in. That fought all the legends and defended his belt against Dan Henderson And GSP. That was fighter of the year in 2016, even if Nobody believed in him.

    There will be made Movies about the one-eyed aging fighter, that won the belt against all odds. Nobody will even know who Jacare or Romero was a few years from now, And Nobody will care if Bisping fought them.
     
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  18. Final Say Red Belt

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    based on what? on WHAT? have you learned nothing? you have no clue who would win that fight
     
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  19. Money509 Clutchell Wilson MVP

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    Left hook larry would have slept him.
     
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  20. MarkyMcFly Red Belt

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    Jacare would've ended that legacy then and there
     
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