*If Lebron wins this year championship against the Warriors + Durant...*

Prefect said:
How many games did the Bulls win after Jordan went to play baseball? That was a good team even with just pip. Bad teams were the ones that missed the playoffs with Jordan.
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How many players did the bulls add after Jordan retired?

And who's the asshole that said Lebron is a better all around player, that guy is on the pipe. Take away lebrons freakish size and patented roid rush where he gets to go to the line even though he initiated all of the contact, then take away Jordan's freakish jumping ability and what do you have left?

Jordan was savvy as hell. He had ways to score without dunking especially with that unblockable, unstoppable fade away shot, still plays great defense, and still makes his team better.

If you force levern in to shooting with out the roid rush he would just be another chucker.

But you know what really seals the deal that Jordan is better?

When Jordan started losing his hair he shaved it and it became iconic he made the bald head the coolest thing ever.
Levern spray paints his hairline and sweats it out in to his eyes during games.

Case Closed!
 
There's also lebrons shocking lack of killer instinct. Because of that I'd rather have Kobe
 
RichardSwingslo said:
There's also lebrons shocking lack of killer instinct. Because of that I'd rather have Kobe
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Possum Jenkins said:
So first you say "don't bring up the stat sheet!" and then you immediately bring up stats.

Lebron is a better passer and that's it. That's the ONLY thing he has over Jordan. Jordan was a better defender and even blocked more shots despite being a guard and 2-3 inches shorter. Scoring, he was better or equal to in all facets.

Again, the clutchness factor is also huge. That one stat that circulated around a few weeks ago about Jordan never having a playoff game with less than 15 points is all you need to know.
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I'm not the one that has been in favor of throwing out the stat sheets. I've been the one backing arguments up with stats, not team accomplishments and mythos.

Lebron also never took 35 shots in a playoff game while he was shooting .257 either. Taking more bad shots does not make one a better scorer. It tells you Jordan went into full chucker mode sometimes. He also was irrelevant from 3.

At any rate, LeBron might be in the middle of putting up the best 3 Finals performances ever.
 
RichardSwingslo said:
How many players did the bulls add after Jordan retired?

And who's the asshole that said Lebron is a better all around player, that guy is on the pipe. Take away lebrons freakish size and patented roid rush where he gets to go to the line even though he initiated all of the contact, then take away Jordan's freakish jumping ability and what do you have left?

Jordan was savvy as hell. He had ways to score without dunking especially with that unblockable, unstoppable fade away shot, still plays great defense, and still makes his team better.

If you force levern in to shooting with out the roid rush he would just be another chucker.

But you know what really seals the deal that Jordan is better?

When Jordan started losing his hair he shaved it and it became iconic he made the bald head the coolest thing ever.
Levern spray paints his hairline and sweats it out in to his eyes during games.

Case Closed!
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This is the problem with Jordan comparisons. Everyone remembers Jordan being a god when they were 13. He was a marketing god. As a player he the best of his generation but he wasn't peerless. If there area lot of players you could slot in his spot on the Bulls and still have a contender

Lebron on the other hand, does things with teams that one player shouldn't be able to do. He is a good leader. Do you need someone to rebound 10+. He can do that. Do you need someone to run point. He can do that. Do you need someone to average 30+. He can do that. Lebron is versatile in so many ways that the detractors he does have are easily covered up. He is extremely effective allround and for one reason or another, maybe due to his playing style being less about finesse than Jordan's, he is not recognized for what he does, only what he doesn't. Why is it so insulting to compare or even say that Lebron is better? The league is much for talented and athletic than it was in the 80s or 90s.
 
Prefect said:
This is the problem with Jordan comparisons. Everyone remembers Jordan being a god when they were 13. He was a marketing god. As a player he the best of his generation but he wasn't peerless. If there area lot of players you could slot in his spot on the Bulls and still have a contender

Lebron on the other hand, does things with teams that one player shouldn't be able to do. He is a good leader. Do you need someone to rebound 10+. He can do that. Do you need someone to run point. He can do that. Do you need someone to average 30+. He can do that. Lebron is versatile in so many ways that the detractors he does have are easily covered up. He is extremely effective allround and for one reason or another, maybe due to his playing style being less about finesse than Jordan's, he is not recognized for what he does, only what he doesn't. Why is it so insulting to compare or even say that Lebron is better? The league is much for talented and athletic than it was in the 80s or 90s.
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Prefect said:
This is the problem with Jordan comparisons. Everyone remembers Jordan being a god when they were 13. He was a marketing god. As a player he the best of his generation but he wasn't peerless. If there area lot of players you could slot in his spot on the Bulls and still have a contender

Lebron on the other hand, does things with teams that one player shouldn't be able to do. He is a good leader. Do you need someone to rebound 10+. He can do that. Do you need someone to run point. He can do that. Do you need someone to average 30+. He can do that. Lebron is versatile in so many ways that the detractors he does have are easily covered up. He is extremely effective allround and for one reason or another, maybe due to his playing style being less about finesse than Jordan's, he is not recognized for what he does, only what he doesn't. Why is it so insulting to compare or even say that Lebron is better? The league is much for talented and athletic than it was in the 80s or 90s.
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Game on the line, you have the last shot who do you want to take it, Jordan or lebron?

How many times has Jordan flat out disappeared in a finals game?

Sure replace Jordan with another star and they contend but they don't get 2 3 peats.
Lebrons game is built on athleticism, what happens when that goes away? Jordan's went away and he got even better.

Lebron has 2 good playoff victories. 1 against the pistons and last years finals.

Yeah this is just my opinion, but I was twice baked in the oven of correctitude therefore my opinion carries more weight.
 
asharak said:
I'm not the one that has been in favor of throwing out the stat sheets. I've been the one backing arguments up with stats, not team accomplishments and mythos.

Lebron also never took 35 shots in a playoff game while he was shooting .257 either. Taking more bad shots does not make one a better scorer. It tells you Jordan went into full chucker mode sometimes. He also was irrelevant from 3.

At any rate, LeBron might be in the middle of putting up the best 3 Finals performances ever.
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Lol are you sure you want to single out bad individual games as part of your argument? Lebron obliterates Jordan in that department.

Of course Jordan was a chucker sometimes. All high scorers are, including Lebron. When these chuckers have low FG% is when it becomes a problem. But Jordan managed to shoot over 50% FG
(those Washington years don't count) in his career despite being a high-scoring guard. That's absolutely insane.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

Lebron's best finals MIGHT challenge Jordan's best finals, but his shitty finals performances completely drag him down.
 
RichardSwingslo said:
How many players did the bulls add after Jordan retired?

And who's the asshole that said Lebron is a better all around player, that guy is on the pipe. Take away lebrons freakish size and patented roid rush where he gets to go to the line even though he initiated all of the contact, then take away Jordan's freakish jumping ability and what do you have left?

Jordan was savvy as hell. He had ways to score without dunking especially with that unblockable, unstoppable fade away shot, still plays great defense, and still makes his team better.

If you force levern in to shooting with out the roid rush he would just be another chucker.

But you know what really seals the deal that Jordan is better?

When Jordan started losing his hair he shaved it and it became iconic he made the bald head the coolest thing ever.
Levern spray paints his hairline and sweats it out in to his eyes during games.

Case Closed!
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Then when he was done with all that Jordan became the only athlete in history, from any sport, to become a billionaire. He just keeps winning. He makes Floyd "Money" Mayweather look poor.
 
Prefect said:
This is the problem with Jordan comparisons. Everyone remembers Jordan being a god when they were 13. He was a marketing god. As a player he the best of his generation but he wasn't peerless. If there area lot of players you could slot in his spot on the Bulls and still have a contender

Lebron on the other hand, does things with teams that one player shouldn't be able to do. He is a good leader. Do you need someone to rebound 10+. He can do that. Do you need someone to run point. He can do that. Do you need someone to average 30+. He can do that. Lebron is versatile in so many ways that the detractors he does have are easily covered up. He is extremely effective allround and for one reason or another, maybe due to his playing style being less about finesse than Jordan's, he is not recognized for what he does, only what he doesn't. Why is it so insulting to compare or even say that Lebron is better? The league is much for talented and athletic than it was in the 80s or 90s.
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Right because Jordan didn't string together 11 triple doubles when they asked him asked to play point. Or average 30-8-8 on 50% shooting.

He was a 2 guard but did everything exceptionally well. When LBJ wins DPOY or leads the league in steals while also leading the league in scoring then we can start talking about LBJ doings things that one player shouldn't be able to do.

The problem with MJ detractors is that they forget everything MJ did except the scoring.
 
I'm a die hard Sixers fan. Its funny how LeBron dickriders are so obsessed with the guy being the GOAT. They don't want to admit KD is clearly outplaying "The King" in the finals right now. He isn't allowed to roam like a free safety off Harrison Barnes anymore. Also Love should leave that shit hole and go back to the rising big 3 in the Timberwolves. Love was balling out in game 2 before LeBron decided to go ball dominant to compete with the Warriors pace and got his shit pushed in by a little Curry and his supposed best buddy in Durant. Warriors should stick to their game plan and body up Kyrie and let bron run himself to the ground while scoring another empty triple double. Come to the Sixers Kyrie, LeBron has been low key letting the media know he wants Chris Paul and Melo more than you and Love. Hope BronBron gets what he wants so the whole nation can watch Cleveland crash and burn with the Big Three divas Bron/Melo/Paul.
 
His 4 would means more than MJ's 4 but he'd still need to get 6, 5 to tie Kobe. We're not comparing Horry to him so rings matter.
 
panamaican said:
Right because Jordan didn't string together 11 triple doubles when they asked him asked to play point. Or average 30-8-8 on 50% shooting.

He was a 2 guard but did everything exceptionally well. When LBJ wins DPOY or leads the league in steals while also leading the league in scoring then we can start talking about LBJ doings things that one player shouldn't be able to do.

The problem with MJ detractors is that they forget everything MJ did except the scoring.
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He had a few good seasons that were extremely well rounded. But that wasn't his whole career. His defense was a steller but analytics show steals are extremely overrated compared to rebounding.

People forget that the Bulls were a sub .500 team until 87. To me, that says more about pip pen and others than Jordan.

lebron got the team above .500 his second season. That was with a bad cast and as a 19 year old.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
Lol are you sure you want to single out bad individual games as part of your argument? Lebron obliterates Jordan in that department.

Of course Jordan was a chucker sometimes. All high scorers are, including Lebron. When these chuckers have low FG% is when it becomes a problem. But Jordan managed to shoot over 50% FG
(those Washington years don't count) in his career despite being a high-scoring guard. That's absolutely insane.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

Lebron's best finals MIGHT challenge Jordan's best finals, but his shitty finals performances completely drag him down.
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I pointed out those individual games simply because you thought that him never scoring less than 15 meant something. When he was hurting his teams play by doing so in that fashion, that lessens your point.

Washington absolutely counts.

panamaican said:
When LBJ wins DPOY or leads the league in steals while also leading the league in scoring then we can start talking about LBJ doings things that one player shouldn't be able to do.
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Like leading all players in the Finals in pts, rebs, and assists? And following that up the next year by leading all players in pts, rebs, asts, stls, and blks? Against what will likely go down as the greatest dynasty?

Prefect said:
He had a few good seasons that were extremely well rounded. But that wasn't his whole career. His defense was a steller but analytics show steals are extremely overrated compared to rebounding.

People forget that the Bulls were a sub .500 team until 87. To me, that says more about pip pen and others than Jordan.

lebron got the team above .500 his second season. That was with a bad cast and as a 19 year old.
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Jordan could push a team over the top, but he couldn't carry them.
 
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asharak said:
Like leading all players in the Finals in pts, rebs, and assists? And following that up the next year by leading all players in pts, rebs, asts, stls, and blks? Against what will likely go down as the greatest dynasty?
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One series. DPOY, leading the league in steals and points for an entire season requires a slightly higher level of sustainability than single series outcomes.
 
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