If Jones cheated why is he competing? | Page 2

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    Crushed is definitely not the right term, but Letro is fucking powerful. I got super dry and it made my joints ache like an old woman. Also, if Jon could share where he found Letro and Clomid over the counter, I'd be forever grateful. Lots of money to be made.
     
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    Gonna be funny when Romero beats this point right through Bisping's face.
     
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    used in post cycle therapy, the cycle gives you the athletic benefit, the pct stops your body getting all fucked up from the cycle, effectively. To a degree they also boost testosterone levels by blocking the conversion of testosterone to estrogen.

    per Victor Conte

    “They both boost testosterone levels, Clomiphene is a PED. It enhances performance. It can increase testosterone by 50%. I personally used it during the BALCO days.

    The letrozole]blocks conversion of testosterone to estrogen … making you stronger, faster and aiding your recovery… It’d be like increasing the amount of water going into a bathtub with [clomiphene] and reducing the size of the drain with the [letrozole]. The effect is more water in the bathtub — more testosterone. The drugs are synergistic.”



    the maximim ban for the substance was 1 year by the way, he got the maximum.

    And it was the arbitration panel made the decision, not usada.

    Usada thought his whole story was,... well, I will let USADA's lawyer spell it out..

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    EDIT: dimspace beat me to it^

    The compounds he popped for are not banned because they necessarily provide athletic enhancement, but because they are used in conjunction with performance enhancing drugs, specifically during and post steroid cycles (in males). Unless Jones has breast cancer or is infertile.

    And Tadalafil is NOT banned under USADA.

    As a matter of fact USADA disagrees with you. He got one year which was the maximum for the substances he popped for. Moreover, during arbitration they specifically stated (through their lawyer) that they didn't believe Jones took the pills he gave them (for instance they contained a third banned substance that wasn't in his system) nor that his story was true, but rather contrived.

    Yoel DID test positive. That's not in discussion, it's a fact. He got a reduced punishment because USADA recognized extenuating circumstances and lack of intention.

    Letrozole can easily CRUSH your estrogen levels even with relatively small doses. It's one of the most potent molecules for this purpose and it is used to that very end in breast cancer patients. It doesn't need to directly remove estrogen to crush it. Estrogen will decline with metabolism. You are mixing up mode of action with end result. Its MODE OF ACTION is to block reversibly the aromatase enzyme and as an END RESULT it lowers your estrogen.

    I'm not sure how letrozole could be used as a masking agent either, since it is a banned and testable substance itself.

    Clomid is not an extremely common ingredient in pharmacologically approved sexual enhancement pills. It's not approved for that use and it can have some serious adverse effects, including sexual functionality.
     
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    I got a buddy that tells me he gets an immense benefit from dick pills.
     
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    I did some research after seeing that claim and I couldn't find anything that directly contains clomid. My PhD in Bro-Science (and pretty much every person I've known) said that Clomid actually made it a little harder to get an erection (or less hard?). The only correlation between Clomid and boners I found is that Clomid is sometimes prescribed to help raise test levels during hormone therapy as a last ditch effort before using injections, and they also prescribe Cialis or Viagra to help with libido, but I couldn't find a single thing that stated Clomid would help with an erection and definitely not Letro.
     
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  7. DaWrassler007 I like men, I'd like to be MAN-handled

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    I use Sildenafil. Does that make me a cheat like Romero or Jones?
     
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    Is he standing directly behind you when he says this? Careful...
     
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    You don't find it far fetched either that a clean athlete Jones' age needs dick pills in the first place?
     
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    Jones always been a cheater, but they all use almost
     
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    Not a clean athlete tho.. When you're on coke or crack or whatever I'm sure dick pills can become necessary.
     
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    Im sure that guy goes to a lot of party's so it's not out of the question that he has a lot of Women to please...
     
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  13. bubby Straight talk: I'm not.

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    If they were lying about him being cleared, why disclose him failing at all?
     
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    Yes.
    Jones is a devout Christian so he must also be truthful.
     
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    Exactly, with all the legal tricks Jon's lawyers could have easily bought time and hired people to find a supplement that contains stuff he popped for(even to find the right batch), then presented it to USADA as something he used. From what I understand, it was a late addition to the list of stuff he had taken, right? It wasn't on the initial list, so this makes it even more sketchy.

    As far as Yoel goes, there are certainly some guys that can attain that kind of physique at his age, but more on a bodybuilding training regimen/diet. People are so stupid and can't understand how much cardiovascular training is needed for any combat sport. It's extremely difficult to retain that kind of muscle mass while grappling, kickboxing, boxing, running, skipping rope etc.
     
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    It was a loophole. He presented evidence that a generic sex pill contained estrogen blockers, but there's no proof that Jones took the sex pill and not estrogen blockers in some other format to conceal the fact that he used a performance enhancer. He's a 28 year old healthy (relatively) guy. Do you think he took a generic sex pill 2 weeks before the biggest fight of his life? He wasn't cleared of anything. He got suspended due to taking a tainted substance, officially, but everyone knows better.
     
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  17. DaWrassler007 I like men, I'd like to be MAN-handled

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    Soldier of god, hah!!!!
    Henchman of satan more likely.
     
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    Yeah, he's a truly devout person. That's why he never touches drugs or alcohol and is always upfront, forthright, and honest.

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    Man, I really walking into that one.
     
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    ...or did he? :)
     
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