If GSP becomes 3 div champ moving down, does it take away frm the achivement

cevo said:
Conor is slightly smaller than those two I mentioned but the difference is not big. So to answer the thread title: No, it wouldn't take away from the achievement. Moving down a division might not look as "good" as moving up, but it's not neccessarily easier. It seems like a lot of people on this forum think that you keep all your strength when you move down a division and therefore it's a "pussy move", which is laughable if you know anything about physiology at all.
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of course you don't keep all of your strength, but if you don't think weight cutting is an advantage, i don't know what to say. any sport that has weight classes has weight cutting.

and it's not so they can fight harder fights.
 
Morning Star said:
Most people would eat it up. 3 division champ, GOAT, etc. Objective people would say wow had to go fight the little guys and the weakest MW champ since Tanner who wasn't even a top 5 fighter in his own division. Ducked the whole MW division, ducked Woodley up and down the weight classes. GOAT cherry picker for sure. Never seen people celebrate someone so much for avoiding the toughest fights.
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Objective people would say that after defending his title without hesitation for longer than just about anyone, he's entitled to legacy fights at the end of his career. Most other champions complained about who got a shot at them, but not GSP. Dana said they'd pick a guy and GSP would sign on the dotted line without complaint. "The easiest guy to deal with" Dana said.

He isn't avoiding the toughest fights. He's looking for fights that will build his legacy. A title in a third weight class would he huge, and it's not as easy as you make it sound. If he's small enough to make the weight, what does that tell you?
 
He won't be able to make weight if he is much bigger than khabib.
 
mmathurbator said:
Gsp gets to be an opportunist after fighting everyone they put in front of him not named Anderson Silva. He had a murderers row compared to most champions at the time and fought tougher comp than Anderson did. He earned the right to call some shots. Yeah, bisping was the weakest MW champ in a looooong ass time, but so was Eddie when Connor decided to move to LW.
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yea, and Conor is an opportunist too. what's your point? just because Conor does it, doesn't make it right.

GSP didn't "earn" any right to be a cherry picker. you don't "earn" that, you're GIVEN that by the company you fight for.

and yeah, GSP fought some great fighters BACK IN THE DAY, but how long is he going to live on his past glories before people are like, "what the fuck, why don't you just retire or fight somebody worthy of a superfight?"

there's a reason nobody really gives a fuck that GSP beat Bisping, and it's because nobody cares.

GSP said he wants legacy fights, than prove it. Bisping doesn't improve your legacy, and winning a title off him means nothing, as seen by how the UFC treats their own titles by taking them away and giving them out whenever they feel like it.

if you want legacy fights, fight Anderson Silva. fight someone DANGEROUS.
 
Thread makes no sense.

It would mean all this time GSP could have been a LW who won the WW and MW titles
 
smiles mma said:
So if gsp went down to lw first you would have been fine with it?
Bj went down to lw, the division didn't always exist.
Conor went down to fw
Couture went down to lhw
Cormierb went down to lhw
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The difference is size. None of those guys were really outsizing guys certainly not to the same extent GSP would. GSP would outsize the guys that outsize guys at LW. Could you imagine the size difference between Conor and GSP? He might as well fight Tyron at that point and at least get something if he wins.

It will almost certainly do nothing for his legacy. Cherry picking a MW and then killing yourself to fight 15 lbs below a weight class you're already big for tend to do that.
 
Fuck gsp's two belts. He was never going to fight the #1 contender like Conor is. Now he wants to move down? Yeah right.
 
NotoriousMillions said:
It will almost certainly do nothing for his legacy. Cherry picking a MW and then killing yourself to fight 15 lbs below a weight class you're already big for tend to do that.
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First and ONLY 3 division champ of the UFC would do nothing for his legacy? For real?
 
Skarsgard said:
If he goes down to 155, wins two or three ranked fights, and then wins the belt, it'd benefit tremendously. It was obvious that he didn't belong at 185. He looked bloated and slow.

If he just wants one off fights, then he shouldn't be let anywhere near another strap.
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GSP has beat many more ranked LWs than Khabib has.
 
It doesn't take away from the achievement but it would be more impressive to defend it too or on the flip side beat a top contender then win the belt.Take away from the achievement?Beating the winner of Khabib/Conor/possibly Tony = not deserving a belt?Huh?I can't stand this guys threads.

Mixedfights said:
Fuck gsp's two belts. He was never going to fight the #1 contender like Conor is. Now he wants to move down? Yeah right.
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He's got what 7 title defenses and one of the greatest most dominant runs in title history.How many does Conor have?Are you special?Are people seriously this stupid?Yeah the Bisping one he got a shot at the title in a division he didn't fight in and then didn't defend...same as Conor did at 155 but that means his ridiculous run at 170 was a shit too?Oh boy.
 
It would be great for his legacy.
Cormier is cutting 45 lbs to fight LHWs. Nobody is complaining about that.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
yea, and Conor is an opportunist too. what's your point? just because Conor does it, doesn't make it right.

GSP didn't "earn" any right to be a cherry picker. you don't "earn" that, you're GIVEN that by the company you fight for.

and yeah, GSP fought some great fighters BACK IN THE DAY, but how long is he going to live on his past glories before people are like, "what the fuck, why don't you just retire or fight somebody worthy of a superfight?"

there's a reason nobody really gives a fuck that GSP beat Bisping, and it's because nobody cares.

GSP said he wants legacy fights, than prove it. Bisping doesn't improve your legacy, and winning a title off him means nothing, as seen by how the UFC treats their own titles by taking them away and giving them out whenever they feel like it.

if you want legacy fights, fight Anderson Silva. fight someone DANGEROUS.
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You realize bisping beat Anderson right?
So what’s harder? Fighting Anderson, or Beating the guy that beat Anderson??


Perrichet said:
Thread makes no sense.

It would mean all this time GSP could have been a LW who won the WW and MW titles
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Even more impressive

NotoriousMillions said:
The difference is size. None of those guys were really outsizing guys certainly not to the same extent GSP would. GSP would outsize the guys that outsize guys at LW. Could you imagine the size difference between Conor and GSP? He might as well fight Tyron at that point and at least get something if he wins.

It will almost certainly do nothing for his legacy. Cherry picking a MW and then killing yourself to fight 15 lbs below a weight class you're already big for tend to do that.
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A number of years back this would have been true, size wise the LW division is creeping up and passing the size of former WW size.

Apparently Kahib walks around HEAVIER than GSP normally does.

So if Kahib, is bigger now than gsp was during his WW run, how is that cowardly?

You could say Kahibs the coward for cutting to much and should be at WW, But now at WW you have guys like till.

It’s the evolution of the sport. LW is the old WW, FW is the old LW.

Put Jens Pulver next to Kahib, and Matt Hughes next to Kahib and you will see.
 
It's not different than Conor leveraging his size & reach at 145.

I think GSP with 3 belts proves Chael's statement that size is not that important(to a point).
 
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