"I sparred with Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, David Tua and others"

Yeah, problem is, you're so bothered by getting knocked down you forget to be rational and take a knee for the 8 count. Boxing is a trip!
ya, but the other side of that is, you can wait too long, how many fighters have we seen wait too long and get counted out right on the 9 or something. I've been down but i always hopped right back up, but everyone has different recuperative abilities.
 
Yeah, problem is, you're so bothered by getting knocked down you forget to be rational and take a knee for the 8 count. Boxing is a trip!
Yeah that's exactly what it was. I went down and my first thought was 'Get back up!'
 
Yeah that's exactly what it was. I went down and my first thought was 'Get back up!'
you know you're suppossed to be up so that's why, if you can get up and have your legs, fine, if you get up like lennox lewis did against mccall and dance you will be kayoed.
 
Tysons first loss.

This seems to be the place to post this.lol

@helax @emog2 @PHATV @Hardkore @Rawex

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Post 27 Aug 2014, 17:33

Thanks for the clarification. Just for the record, (and this is a record archieve, right?), Tyler Sunday does not claim to have knocked out Mike Tyson. I interviewed Tyler for a lacrosse documentary. Sunday is from a large, but rather isolated, upstate NY Rez. As a young teenager someone "discovered" him and took him to different places in NY to box, maybe an organization having to do with the Junior Olympics? In any event, he said he doesn't remember the names of the kids he fought, though he does remember that many of them were African Americans.
He didn't even know how and why people started saying that he knocked out Mike Tyson. (Seriously, if you drove up to that Reservation and asked anyone if they knew Tyler Sunday, they would all answer, "Yeah, the guy that knocked out Mike Tyson in the first round.") I also learned that anyone who has ever left the Rez and worked in other places, and then returned, seems to have some tag line associated with his name. But I digress.
Being a documentarian/journalist, I decided to investigate the source of the rumor. I was told from one of the elders that Mike Tyson, shortly after knocking out a famous boxer in the first round, was invited on Johnny Carson, or one of those late night shows. Apparently, the host asked Mike Tyson if he himself had ever been knocked out in the first round, and Tyson's alleged response was, "Only once, when I was young, by an Indian kid named Tyler Sunday."
So I tried to find any proof of this interview, with no luck, which is why I turned to this forum. I'm thinking here that maybe I should stick to the lacrosse story and edit out the boxing stuff......but I am intrigued by this "myth," and inquiring minds always want to know the real story..
 
Tysons first loss.

This seems to be the place to post this.lol

@helax @emog2 @PHATV @Hardkore @Rawex
i thought it was some other guy, never heard it was an indian, i forget who it was but I thought he was stopped by a black heavyweight, can't think of his name right now but I know it, Mike something I think. anyway, he wasn't really knocked out but they stopped it quick because he was so young if i remember right. I think the guys name was mike evans, could be wrong.
 
i thought it was some other guy, never heard it was an indian, i forget who it was but I thought he was stopped by a black heavyweight, can't think of his name right now but I know it, Mike something I think. anyway, he wasn't really knocked out but they stopped it quick because he was so young if i remember right. I think the guys name was mike evans, could be wrong.
i just checked, it's al evans.
 
i just checked, it's al evans.

Any info on if Tyson ever said the guys name?

So long ago but even i heard this story so much as a kid,specially since Tyler was a great lacrosse player....Turned cop.lol

Golden Gloves was it?
 
it's possible tyler did, in an unsanctioned, "smoker" which really don't count on the record. They were rushing mike along so fast that sometimes they would put him in with a guy like Al Evans who was a 27 year old man. Tyson spoke of evans in an interview sometime around 89, but i never heard him mention tyler sunday, it's possible though and it doesn't mean that much in the scheme of things, lots of fighters don't start out too promising, Ali was kayoed once in the ammies and once in sparring as a kid.
 
Surprisingly articulate for someone who supposably spent years taking shots from some of the heaviest hitters in boxing.
 
Any info on if Tyson ever said the guys name?

So long ago but even i heard this story so much as a kid,specially since Tyler was a great lacrosse player....Turned cop.lol

Golden Gloves was it?
Mohawk Iroquois, I assume? From that area, shout out to Hiawatha. Love the People of the Longhouse. One of my best friends as a kid was Mohawk, the Rez was a very dangerous place for Whitey tho, lol. I played baseball growing up so lacrosse players busted my balls and I fucking hated that sport. The Injuns are fucking great lacrosse players tho.
 
any fullbloods left of those tribes?
 
Mohawk Iroquois, I assume? From that area, shout out to Hiawatha. Love the People of the Longhouse. One of my best friends as a kid was Mohawk, the Rez was a very dangerous place for Whitey tho, lol. I played baseball growing up so lacrosse players busted my balls and I fucking hated that sport. The Injuns are fucking great lacrosse players tho.

There are 5 main reservations that are just for Mohawks lol from Quebec,Ontario,and through out New York.

Sounds like the 90's to me from what you just posted,was hectic back then with what the CAN army was up to against the Mohawks back then.
 
There are 5 main reservations that are just for Mohawks lol from Quebec,Ontario,and through out New York.

Sounds like the 90's to me from what you just posted,was hectic back then with what the CAN army was up to against the Mohawks back then.
Yeah I grew up in the 90's, but then again I'm from upstate NY not Canada so I didn't know they had the army going up after you guys. I knew there were Iroquois reservations up in Canada but always thought most were here in NY state. I think I grew up closer to the Onondagas and Oneidas than the Mohawks rez's tho, so not sure where the Mohawks are as much. Hope they're leaving you guys alone fwiw. Been through enough already, obv.
 
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any fullbloods left of those tribes?

My buddy wasn't fullblood, his Ma was white, I believe, but I think his Pops was either fullblooded, or very close to it. He lived on a rez, iirc. The reservations up here have full bloods still, tho, I think. Driving through parts of the rez, you can tell that there's the families who make casino money and live in beautiful houses and there's families who are struggling really hard. It's a huge business for them up here.

The tobacco business is huge too, ppl will come from all over upstate to buy cigs in Indian territory b/c they don't have to pay the taxes. My grandma used to do stop there all the time and buy cartons full at huge discounts when I was a kid. But as mentioned it seems to be that most of the revenue only goes to a fraction of the population. I've heard rumors that we get pretty decent weed over here b/c the reservations grow it and are less worried about outside cops taking their crops away so they have better ops but I have no clue if that's actually true or not.
 
I don't care I'm actually interested in that, too. The main stories are over anyway this is just about anything story based about boxing. This falls under that category anyway, imo.

Get better @YoungCashMoney. Also feel free to post a good sparring or ammies story if/when you feel like it or about Big Floyd and any cool shit he's said in the past. Anyone at the gym for that matter. I know you probably got some good stories from the gym just a matter if you're allowed to tell them or not, haha.

@ProBoxingInsidr I know you have some great stories too.

Couldnt it be that you just have grown in size. Its normal to get up in weight.
You were very young in these old clips. Cant be a longterm solution if you have to kill yourself to make weight.

Yeah possibly, the doctors told me it was inevitable that I would have some growth retardation due to the time that I found my tumor & realistically how long it had damaged my hormones due to its size. I remained relatively the same size from 17-21, but was always told my growth plates were still open. They told me I might hit a growth spurt when hormones return to normal but its unlikely because of my age (22). Maybe thats whats happening, nature is following its normal course and god wants me to be a full fledged welterweight now.

It was real difficult getting used to my size, especially because I had to spar the 150-170lb guys, I was worried my power wouldn't carry up and I was bout to be like Paulie Malignaggi lol, now there's nothing cool about knocking sparring partners out or hurting them, but my first sparring session back I boxed this 165lber with about 40 amateur fights. boxes with the marine boxing team, been in the marines for a few years all that, (mentioned him in the prince naseem/hand size thread. This was the guy who had big hands and when he fist bumped me he hit my hand kinda hard and it kinda hurt, I was offended honestly, but was thinking his hands are heavy so he probably got pop). I am not kidding, 20 seconds into the sparring I hit him with a left hook and that was it. Knocked him out and he was done after the first real shot I landed, so I am very happy to say my power has carried up fine, if not better than before. The guy walked up afterwards and was like "damn dude how many fights do u have?", I told him 3 and he said "get the fuck outta here. how long u been boxing", I told him on/off due to injuries but first started training 5 years ago. He's like "ahhh thats why , man I was bout give up the sport over that shit", cool dude tho. I then got my ass whooped by this sharp white boy who just won the 141 golden gloves in LA. It was good work but he abused the fuck out of the hole in my defense with the overhand right, I was tired also but really had to make an adjustment.

About getting used to the size tho - its so weird because I've always been a small guy. From day 1 I've accepted " I am smaller than most around me ", so when I'm boxing these dudes, in my mind im thinking "Ok be careful, this guy is a lot bigger than you, hes huge, don't take risks, box very smart", which causes me to be too cautious - but then I see photos after of us after sparring - and wtf, I'm the exact same size, and overall frame wise the biggest guy there, blows my mind.

So bad news guys, after replying to y'all yesterday, I broke my big toe stubbing it on my bed. I'm an idiot, probably going to be out for a few weeks, but thats nothing compared to the layoffs I've been accustomed to. I need to do my yearly hormonal panel testing anyway, which they want me to be off my medication for 3 weeks before getting to get a baseline of my natural values, so now is the perfect time to do it I guess. I was holding off because without my medication, my testosterone levels are going to tank, bones will become weak muscles weak, all that and don't want to risk injury as I was so close to fighting. Shit happens tho, but I'm out of training for at least a month.




BT21- I have sooo many stories about Big Floyd it would take months to write them out lol. I lived with him at one point for a few months so I was with him literally all the time. One thing I can tell you bout Sr., is that he is a no bullshit coach, has a very hard way of showing any kind of affection/like for anybody, and is tough as nails to live with. I know first hand was Floyd Jr., went through as a kid. I actually started to resent him at one point living with him because it was like a boot camp, it was torture, he controlled exactly what I ate, when I ate, how much I ate, all that. I began to resent it because it felt like he hated me, I was never good enough. Unless I stopped the guy I was sparring, I wasn't shit. if it was good work, I wasn't shit. If I did stop him, that was alright because that's what I'm supposed to be capable of and do, but isn't anything good. There was literally no way to be "good enough". @Sinister knows I'm sure from seeing him through the years. Some of the speeches I would get after sparring/fights would haunt me in my dreams for days. He'd wake me up at 6 am sharp every single day to go run at mt Charleston 7000 feet elevation, he'd follow behind in the car playing music and tell me to throw certain combinations while running, and every day at the very end of a 4-5 mile run he would make me sprint damn near the last half mile, He would say "I'm going to drive at 10 mph, if this car beats you to that spot, were done training. You better beat this car" and obviously he won't literally stop training me, but I didn't want to fail him so I'd run my ass off lol. Oh, this was in 2lb Timbaland boots. Wouldn't let me run in anything else.

The thing was, I was able to compete with guys leagues ahead of me at an alarmingly fast rate, me boxing with 5 months of experience could hang with guys with weight advantages, hundreds of amateur fights and 10 years of experience. How much of that was my natural talent, and how much of it was due to the training regimen of Floyd Sr.,? I'm guessing a bit of both, but mainly because of the training regimen. Can't knock it, it was torturous but produced results.

But yeah, I was under the impression he didn't like me with how often I was treated with criticism, up until this happened: I was 17 at the time, my mom came down to visit for a few days and was staying in a hotel, so I told her I'd stay with her the 3 days she came down, then move back in with big Floyd. I didn't really communicate this to Sr., tho, wasn't really a big deal. So the day came that my mom came, and me and Sr., were getting ready to go to the gym, and I packed my suitcase. He looked confused, and said "what are u doing with that? why do u have that?" and I told him I was gonna stay with my mom for 3 days. He looked genuinely hurt, and was like "oh.. damn man... are you sure? I didn't know she was coming. Are you coming back?" and I assured him I'd be back in a few days, and he got happy again and said " Ok man, thats alright.", at that moment tho, I knew he cared about me (which should've been obvious to my immature 17 year old self, he was going up to the mountains with me every morning, that wasn't for him, that was for me).

Another time, this guy in the gym asked if he could hold mitts with me, kinda a strange dude, but just visiting from Canada I think and said it'd be an honor or something lol. Of course I said sure and worked mitts with him. Floyd Sr., came in a bit later and saw, and I said whats up to him but he acted a bit weird. I walked up and asked him if he's ready to work today and do pads, and he said "nah man not with you. you got a trainer. go work with him, u already got a trainer", and I was so mad about that. I tried to tell him that I was doing the guy a favor but he didn't want to hear it - and literally didn't train me that day. Later, Floyd Jr., was doing his training for Guerrero & me and Floyd Sr., were sitting on the ring together while he was coaching him on the bag. I asked him little questions bout the fight and how lil Floyds looking, and he just randomly said "look man, if I'm ur trainer, I'm ur trainer. Don't be working with nobody else. ur my fighter, I don't want to see u working with nobody else." which was another instance that showed he cared.



As for sparring vids - heres one if ur interested, with a now touted TMT knockout artist 4-0 (4kos), when I first started boxing, this is a few months into training, I think 2? About 2 months into training. I was 110 lbs lol, he was 130 lbs, so 20lb weight advantage. It was surprising to me that he got this reputation as a huge knockout puncher later on, because even with the weight advantage he never came close to hurting me - he was just strong and very aggressive. It's round 2-4, round 1 got messed up recording.







Enjoy it - He's much better now, as am I.
 
@BluntTrauma21

Holy shit man you do know yourself some Upstate NY indians lol

Yeah the tobacco has made my reservation what it is today,i live in Akwesasne which is only 1 of the Mohawks reservations and it is split between Ontario,Quebec,and Upstate NY.

So just imagine the smuggling that goes on between my rez and the other Mohawks that are out in Quebec....Which is also where the Oka crisis happened with the army/MTL public.
 
Yeah possibly, the doctors told me it was inevitable that I would have some growth retardation due to the time that I found my tumor & realistically how long it had damaged my hormones due to its size. I remained relatively the same size from 17-21, but was always told my growth plates were still open. They told me I might hit a growth spurt when hormones return to normal but its unlikely because of my age (22). Maybe thats whats happening, nature is following its normal course and god wants me to be a full fledged welterweight now.

It was real difficult getting used to my size, especially because I had to spar the 150-170lb guys, I was worried my power wouldn't carry up and I was bout to be like Paulie Malignaggi lol, now there's nothing cool about knocking sparring partners out or hurting them, but my first sparring session back I boxed this 165lber with about 40 amateur fights. boxes with the marine boxing team, been in the marines for a few years all that, (mentioned him in the prince naseem/hand size thread. This was the guy who had big hands and when he fist bumped me he hit my hand kinda hard and it kinda hurt, I was offended honestly, but was thinking his hands are heavy so he probably got pop). I am not kidding, 20 seconds into the sparring I hit him with a left hook and that was it. Knocked him out and he was done after the first real shot I landed, so I am very happy to say my power has carried up fine, if not better than before. The guy walked up afterwards and was like "damn dude how many fights do u have?", I told him 3 and he said "get the fuck outta here. how long u been boxing", I told him on/off due to injuries but first started training 5 years ago. He's like "ahhh thats why , man I was bout give up the sport over that shit", cool dude tho. I then got my ass whooped by this sharp white boy who just won the 141 golden gloves in LA. It was good work but he abused the fuck out of the hole in my defense with the overhand right, I was tired also but really had to make an adjustment.

About getting used to the size tho - its so weird because I've always been a small guy. From day 1 I've accepted " I am smaller than most around me ", so when I'm boxing these dudes, in my mind im thinking "Ok be careful, this guy is a lot bigger than you, hes huge, don't take risks, box very smart", which causes me to be too cautious - but then I see photos after of us after sparring - and wtf, I'm the exact same size, and overall frame wise the biggest guy there, blows my mind.

So bad news guys, after replying to y'all yesterday, I broke my big toe stubbing it on my bed. I'm an idiot, probably going to be out for a few weeks, but thats nothing compared to the layoffs I've been accustomed to. I need to do my yearly hormonal panel testing anyway, which they want me to be off my medication for 3 weeks before getting to get a baseline of my natural values, so now is the perfect time to do it I guess. I was holding off because without my medication, my testosterone levels are going to tank, bones will become weak muscles weak, all that and don't want to risk injury as I was so close to fighting. Shit happens tho, but I'm out of training for at least a month.




BT21- I have sooo many stories about Big Floyd it would take months to write them out lol. I lived with him at one point for a few months so I was with him literally all the time. One thing I can tell you bout Sr., is that he is a no bullshit coach, has a very hard way of showing any kind of affection/like for anybody, and is tough as nails to live with. I know first hand was Floyd Jr., went through as a kid. I actually started to resent him at one point living with him because it was like a boot camp, it was torture, he controlled exactly what I ate, when I ate, how much I ate, all that. I began to resent it because it felt like he hated me, I was never good enough. Unless I stopped the guy I was sparring, I wasn't shit. if it was good work, I wasn't shit. If I did stop him, that was alright because that's what I'm supposed to be capable of and do, but isn't anything good. There was literally no way to be "good enough". @Sinister knows I'm sure from seeing him through the years. Some of the speeches I would get after sparring/fights would haunt me in my dreams for days. He'd wake me up at 6 am sharp every single day to go run at mt Charleston 7000 feet elevation, he'd follow behind in the car playing music and tell me to throw certain combinations while running, and every day at the very end of a 4-5 mile run he would make me sprint damn near the last half mile, He would say "I'm going to drive at 10 mph, if this car beats you to that spot, were done training. You better beat this car" and obviously he won't literally stop training me, but I didn't want to fail him so I'd run my ass off lol. Oh, this was in 2lb Timbaland boots. Wouldn't let me run in anything else.

The thing was, I was able to compete with guys leagues ahead of me at an alarmingly fast rate, me boxing with 5 months of experience could hang with guys with weight advantages, hundreds of amateur fights and 10 years of experience. How much of that was my natural talent, and how much of it was due to the training regimen of Floyd Sr.,? I'm guessing a bit of both, but mainly because of the training regimen. Can't knock it, it was torturous but produced results.

But yeah, I was under the impression he didn't like me with how often I was treated with criticism, up until this happened: I was 17 at the time, my mom came down to visit for a few days and was staying in a hotel, so I told her I'd stay with her the 3 days she came down, then move back in with big Floyd. I didn't really communicate this to Sr., tho, wasn't really a big deal. So the day came that my mom came, and me and Sr., were getting ready to go to the gym, and I packed my suitcase. He looked confused, and said "what are u doing with that? why do u have that?" and I told him I was gonna stay with my mom for 3 days. He looked genuinely hurt, and was like "oh.. damn man... are you sure? I didn't know she was coming. Are you coming back?" and I assured him I'd be back in a few days, and he got happy again and said " Ok man, thats alright.", at that moment tho, I knew he cared about me (which should've been obvious to my immature 17 year old self, he was going up to the mountains with me every morning, that wasn't for him, that was for me).

Another time, this guy in the gym asked if he could hold mitts with me, kinda a strange dude, but just visiting from Canada I think and said it'd be an honor or something lol. Of course I said sure and worked mitts with him. Floyd Sr., came in a bit later and saw, and I said whats up to him but he acted a bit weird. I walked up and asked him if he's ready to work today and do pads, and he said "nah man not with you. you got a trainer. go work with him, u already got a trainer", and I was so mad about that. I tried to tell him that I was doing the guy a favor but he didn't want to hear it - and literally didn't train me that day. Later, Floyd Jr., was doing his training for Guerrero & me and Floyd Sr., were sitting on the ring together while he was coaching him on the bag. I asked him little questions bout the fight and how lil Floyds looking, and he just randomly said "look man, if I'm ur trainer, I'm ur trainer. Don't be working with nobody else. ur my fighter, I don't want to see u working with nobody else." which was another instance that showed he cared.



As for sparring vids - heres one if ur interested, with a now touted TMT knockout artist 4-0 (4kos), when I first started boxing, this is a few months into training, I think 2? About 2 months into training. I was 110 lbs lol, he was 130 lbs, so 20lb weight advantage. It was surprising to me that he got this reputation as a huge knockout puncher later on, because even with the weight advantage he never came close to hurting me - he was just strong and very aggressive. It's round 2-4, round 1 got messed up recording.







Enjoy it - He's much better now, as am I.


This is unbelievable shit, man, thank you for the contributions to the thread. Floyd Sr. sounds like a great trainer but pretty immature in the way he handles his emotions/thoughts. That's gotta be tough to deal with esp for you when you were a kid and even now as a young guy. Glad you stuck with him and vice versa. I can only imagine how tough it is to train like you and also have to deal with being comfortable with the guys around you who can be big positives but also negatives. More than just a boss, it's a stronger relationship than that which normal jobs don't require. Thanks for sharing man, for real.

I hope you heal up and get back at it, you're a real motherfucker man. Thanks again.
 
This is unbelievable shit, man, thank you for the contributions to the thread. Floyd Sr. sounds like a great trainer but pretty immature in the way he handles his emotions/thoughts. That's gotta be tough to deal with esp for you when you were a kid and even now as a young guy. Glad you stuck with him and vice versa. I can only imagine how tough it is to train like you and also have to deal with being comfortable with the guys around you who can be big positives but also negatives. More than just a boss, it's a stronger relationship than that which normal jobs don't require. Thanks for sharing man, for real.

I hope you heal up and get back at it, you're a real motherfucker man. Thanks again.

No problem glad you got something out of it!
 
My buddy wasn't fullblood, his Ma was white, I believe, but I think his Pops was either fullblooded, or very close to it. He lived on a rez, iirc. The reservations up here have full bloods still, tho, I think. Driving through parts of the rez, you can tell that there's the families who make casino money and live in beautiful houses and there's families who are struggling really hard. It's a huge business for them up here.

The tobacco business is huge too, ppl will come from all over upstate to buy cigs in Indian territory b/c they don't have to pay the taxes. My grandma used to do stop there all the time and buy cartons full at huge discounts when I was a kid. But as mentioned it seems to be that most of the revenue only goes to a fraction of the population. I've heard rumors that we get pretty decent weed over here b/c the reservations grow it and are less worried about outside cops taking their crops away so they have better ops but I have no clue if that's actually true or not.

the thing with the money going to only a few is pretty much trans-tribal, all the tribes do that, it sickens me and makes me not even want to deal with my own people. We're truly a mess. Our top Native Author, Sherman alexie, is facing allegations of being s harraser, he's made so many enemies amongst his own people just by abusing his power, he has no where to turn, his career is ruined and i'm loving it. He's seeing how much the white readers really love him. fucking fool. Indians don't know how to handle power, money, alcohol or euro diet.
 
the thing with the money going to only a few is pretty much trans-tribal, all the tribes do that, it sickens me and makes me not even want to deal with my own people. We're truly a mess. Our top Native Author, Sherman alexie, is facing allegations of being s harraser, he's made so many enemies amongst his own people just by abusing his power, he has no where to turn, his career is ruined and i'm loving it. He's seeing how much the white readers really love him. fucking fool. Indians don't know how to handle power, money, alcohol or euro diet.

Which tribe are you from, if you don't mind me asking? I think iirc you're a west coast guy? Maybe I'm wrong on that tho. So the stereotype of Natives not being able to handle alcohol is true, in your opinion? I read a story about how drinking alcohol is a very old world tradition, so when it was introduced to Indians over here they didn't have the history in their genetics to handle it the same way that the Whites did, etc. Same with diseases killling you guys off b/c you didn't have the immune systems to deal with our disgusting bodily infections. Not that whites aren't alcoholics of course, my father's side of the family all drink like fish.
 
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