Hypocrisy of the Conor boxing critics...

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  1. Bill Murray White Belt

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    Are Africans/African Americans dominant in boxing because of their incredible skill? You hear this claim made constantly about Conor in boxing -- he can't compete because he's nowhere near as skilled as these other fighters.

    Yet we all know why blacks are dominant in boxing and many sports.. it isn't because they are more skilled than their competition.

    So why is Conor's ability in boxing gauged entirely by skill? Why do pro Floyd apologists all of a sudden move the goalpost to defend Floyd and talk about skill when athleticism has always been the benchmark in the past?

    Is it because people assume because Conor is white he can't be a great pure athlete?



     
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  2. Milton_Gracie White Belt

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    Connor isn't an elite athlete. No speed, no endurance, no power.

    Just good timing, precision and a God gifted talent for fight promotion.
     
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  3. Overpressure Steel Belt

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    Why is ability gauged by skill

    Huh
     
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  4. Bill Murray White Belt

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    In a sport dominated by pure athletes..

    It's like saying sprinters win because they are more skilled...
     
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  5. Milton_Gracie White Belt

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    The micro seconds and milli seconds that are the difference between a gold, medal and bronze are actually determined by a sprinter's technique which in a way can be considered skill.
     
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    There's plenty of argument to be made that mma athletic specimens haven't done as well as the skillful, example, skinny AS. Example, athletic but unskilled Brock.
    Concession: Brock starts training early, he still dominates IMO.
     
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    A real boxing trainer could make him into a champion. In boxing.
     
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    It wasn't Conor's lack of ability, it was bad trainers
     
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    None of it matters anyhow - Moral vicories, I either win or I learn

    Something to that extent ... right?
     
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    Not this late and not against anyone elite.
     
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    I don't think so. Conor would get killed by GGG, Canelo, Thurman, Spence, Garcia etc.
     
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  12. MorrisonJay Green Belt

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    So what makes at elite athlete?
     
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  13. somemark Yellow Card

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    if conor was an elite athlete he'd be playing in some european football league right now instead of cage fighting, and that's a fact. there aren't a lot of guys that go into combat sports for love of the game and conor isn't one of them. get in, make money, get out, right? own the fact that except in rare cases, top mma guys aren't great athletes. they're well rounded, disciplined, tough fighters. isn't that enough?
     
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    Sure you are an elite athlete in you're own sport? No point comparing because each sport is different with different attributes.
     
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  15. Milton_Gracie White Belt

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    To be considered an elite athlete in combat sports, you simply need endurance. There's no way around it.

    Doesn't mean that Connor isn't a good MMA fighter, just means he's lacking that one element in his game and we all saw it when Floyd was free to beat Connor's defenseless brains in.

    A combination of glass jawed opponents, knowing how to use the clock, literally jogging away from Diaz, and maximizing his talents has helped McGregor stay on top.

    We'll see if anybody in the UFC can exploit McGregor's lack of endurance as well as Floyd.
     
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  16. biomech Blue Belt

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    Yeah because a white 28 year old ripped muscular active fighter training at a high tech UFC institute by leading sports scientists is less athletic than a 40 year old retired boxer with brittle fists who doesn't train with leading sports scientists.

    Love how some nut huggers are trying to make it a black and white thing to find any excuse for Conor.

    Floyd won and Conor lost because of a very simple reason. They competed in a sport that Floyd was a master of, has boxing IQ that Conor could never in a million years of training ever get, the right fundamentals in the art of FIST fighting, mentally strong and puts in an incredible amount of hard work. "Hard work, dedication" sounds like a line but Floyd's just throwing down truth.

    Whereas Conor is overrated, poor technique, no punching power, mentally weak, relies largely on new fangled touch butt in the park movements while compromising the hard work part.

    There's nothing wrong with Conor McGregor. He's a good MMA striker who has done extremely well in MMA, though quite lucky he hasn't faced Khabib yet. But let's be real, the biggest problem with Conor is that he was delusional in thinking that he was a boxer able to rule the boxing world. He got aggressively schooled by the 40 y.o retired defensive master.
     
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  17. Bill Murray White Belt

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    I think explosiveness and power is more impressive than endurance. It seems boxing would benefit from going to shorter rounds like MMA. I think Cono would have easily beaten Floyd in a shorter fight as well.
     
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    I don't give a shit about all that race thing. To me it's pretty simple: Floyd is by far a much better boxer than Conor. Not be cause he is black, but because he has been doing it forever and is as talented as a human being can possibly be in the sport of boxing. No man is gonna jump ship from a different sport and beat the greatest boxer ever. This is valid for any sport cross over.
     
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  19. Milton_Gracie White Belt

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    [QUOTE="biomech, post: 133877555, member: 529959"He got aggressively schooled by the 40 y.o retired defensive master.[/QUOTE]

    It's also interesting that Mayweather didn't even use any of his sublime defensive skill set.
     
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    Explosion and power is very important. That was Mike Tyson.

    Everyone tunes in to see the 100m sprint at the Olympics and nobody watches the long distance endurance races.

    But still, endurance is a part of combat sports and McGregor's lack of stamina made it an easy night for Mayweather.

    As for a shorter fight... McGregor had plenty of time to be explosive and powerful. He could have made quick work of Floyd but simply had no business in the same ring with him. But, at least he doesn't need to rent Lambos anymore.

    And let me add that McGregor was totally unprepared. He trained for Floyd's long range counter punching style and was utterly clueless when Floyd surprised everybody with the "Mexican" dimension of his skill set.
     
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