jamison
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here's a post from space potatoe a few years back. Talks and shows Fedor using the weights for shadowboxing...someone better tell him to stop before he hurts himself.
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=275184
Wow, your post's reak of stupidity. You really add to ignorance of this forum. You CLEARLY dont know shit about mma, which is why all you have done is refute something I say while providing nothing yourself. Stick to fencing and tma. Perhaps you can explain WHY MOST MMA FIGHTERS USE DUMBBELLS YOU DUMBASS? Are they suspending the "laws of physics? Are there arms falling off from shadowing with 2lb dumbbells? Why would I need to prove anything? I provided links of fighters that use them so I suppose your quarrel is with them as well. It's annoying when you kung fu trolls get on here with your ignorant bullshit.Again, your arguement of "that's the way it has always been done" is pretty worthless. I take that you haven't had any luck proving that you are capable of suspending the laws of physics????
Get back to me when you are capable of mounting a rational, logical & provable point (you know something besides NUH UH & that's the way everyone else does it ).
Here, I'll help start you in the right direction-
www.google.com
www.yahoo.com
www.msn.com
Those are called "search engines" and if you type something into them you can actually learn about a subject instead of trying to pass off your erroneous opinion as a fact.
I'll wait while you educate yourself on the topic.
Wow, your post's reak of stupidity. You really add to ignorance of this forum. You CLEARLY dont know shit about mma, which is why all you have done is refute something I say while providing nothing yourself. Stick to fencing and tma. Perhaps you can explain WHY MOST MMA FIGHTERS USE DUMBBELLS YOU DUMBASS? Are they suspending the "laws of physics? Are there arms falling off from shadowing with 2lb dumbbells? Why would I need to prove anything? I provided links of fighters that use them so I suppose your quarrel is with them as well. It's annoying when you kung fu trolls get on here with your ignorant bullshit.
A quick check of your post history shows you claim to have 25 yrs of kunf fu experience as well as fencing. You say you are in your 50's, yet you are posting all over the standup and K1 forums with your ignorant opinions. You are a trolling for attention. This is my last post to in regards to you because you are dragging on and on with bullshit. Stop trying to act like an ignorant internet bully. You clearly offer nothing at all to theese forums. Trolls like you come and go all the time. Now act your age and I mean it old man.
Wow, your post's reak of stupidity. You really add to ignorance of this forum. You CLEARLY dont know shit about mma, which is why all you have done is refute something I say while providing nothing yourself. Stick to fencing and tma. Perhaps you can explain WHY MOST MMA FIGHTERS USE DUMBBELLS YOU DUMBASS? Are they suspending the "laws of physics? Are there arms falling off from shadowing with 2lb dumbbells? Why would I need to prove anything? I provided links of fighters that use them so I suppose your quarrel is with them as well. It's annoying when you kung fu trolls get on here with your ignorant bullshit.
A quick check of your post history shows you claim to have 25 yrs of kunf fu experience as well as fencing. You say you are in your 50's, yet you are posting all over the standup and K1 forums with your ignorant opinions. You are a trolling for attention. This is my last post to in regards to you because you are dragging on and on with bullshit. Stop trying to act like an ignorant internet bully. You clearly offer nothing at all to theese forums. Trolls like you come and go all the time. Now act your age and I mean it old man.
Technique > All things, including speed
Hand speed is overrated if against a well trained Thai fighter or mma fighter. Hand speed is useless if you can be walked down and taken apart. People should learn about technique and the speed will follow.
Um...so when we talk "shadowboxing with dumbells" are we talking like...not going full-force/full-speed or really kinda "focusing on technique" and going like...60% speed or something...? Or straight up going all-out and punching full-force?
B/c I'm reading y'alls argument here and both make sense...sometimes empirical evidence (as seen in the many many generations of boxing gyms using dumbells) is good enough for me, sometimes it's not and good hard facts from exercise physiologists will do it for me...it all depends on the situation and using common sense...
For every argument there's plenty of decent, rational, yet incorrect thing...for example, "Well every boxer has done it forever and it's worked fine for them" sounds pretty good, but at the same time...for a long time, people believed the world was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, and all that jazz...all b/c we used what our senses could tell us to describe a situation and nothing more...just playing the devil's advocate here...
That said, I think you guys are arguing about apples and oranges...I honestly don't think anybody in the right mind would shadowbox full-force using a dumbell that's like 5 lbs...maybe I'm wrong because I don't train at a boxing gym and I've never experienced it myself, but my own frame of reference really kinda keeps me from doing that out of fear of injury; maybe I should try it to see if it improves my hands, I dunno........although I CAN imagine lightly shadow-boxing with heavier weights to indeed build up endurance and strength and whatnot...
It's kinda like wearing a weight-vest or something...it's just another tool in the tool-box...you're not going to straight up train all the time wearing one using the logic "Oh, if I can carry around THIS much weight, imagine my performance when I'm NOT wearing it"...it's hell on your lower back, hell on your knees, hell on your ankles, etc...but there IS a time/place for properly using them...
Ok, maybe I'm just rambling here...I'm just tired of seeing this dick measuring contest...
So true.The key to fast hands is relaxation. Tight muscle is slow muscle.