How exactly does training in striking make you a better fighter? | Page 3

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  1. AndyMaBobs Purple Belt

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  3. Ilk Orange Belt

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    Eh ... I truly believe an untrained person can't really hit me with a decent shot if we fought. First they know no distance and balance. Second technique and I am sure I will see from a mile that they are coming. And lastly they will gas within 30 seconds.
     
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    To the OP, let me tell you a Kung-fu story. In the pre-UFC days, I was looking for the deadliest martial art to train and I must say that I have trained in some pretty idiotic Kung-fu styles where you never hit the pads or bags. Instead you practiced forms in the air in an orchestrated manner while the instructor would "correct" the technique. If your stance was too wide he would fix it or if your stopped your punch too far he would correct that too. We were all told by the Sifu how great we were and he would give students nick names like "Crouching Tiger" and "Dragon fist" etc. As long as the instructor was happy we felt we were BAAAD!

    After about 8 months of orchestrated madness, I sparred against a Muay Thai dude who was literally half my size. When I hit him, it was like when you were a kid hitting your dad and he is just laughing at you. When he hit me, it was like a truck coming and hitting you. This guy moved like Bruce Lee and hit like Mike Tyson and there was no size behind the power. The difference was that he trained hitting the heavy bag! moral of the story is that When you hit something that does not want to move, you build force behind the blows.

    Check out this dude. Do you really think he would be able to generate this kind of "shock" if he was training in the air?

     
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    - How the sher-mods can withstand those type of threads day in and day out?
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    Its actually surprising how much you can do against a non-trained person. They swing for the fences, there's no technique so it doesn't do damage, you can see it being swung from last week, and you take hits better having dealt with killers at the gym on a daily basis. Not to mention most people do not know how to take hits. Guy lets lit up with a 30% strike and acts like you threw an H-bomb.

    The only exception to this is people who are athletic that have been on an actual team in Football or Rugby.

    My problem with this is all my friends are fighters and borderline competitor BJJ'ers, and because of that I tend to assume everyone in life is like that... well I was wrong.

    Dude picks a fight with me at a party after hearing from a mutual friend that I compete. I go light, as in sparring with the female atom-weight. Guy got winded after a light knee, and despite being a 'MMA fan' didn't know what tapping was when I sunk in a RNC. Made me think he was tougher than usual so I squeezed harder, then our friend told me was going out so I let go. lol.
     
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  7. shincheckin Green Belt

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    another huge setback for muay thai in the US. A thai gym has a stable of fighters, and 4-5 pad holders. US muay thai class is, ok partner up and hold pads for eachother back and forth, and when your doing this, it isnt the coach coaching you, its the guy holding pads teaching you, you are essentially practicing yourself while using the gyms location if you get what I mean. pad holding is an art in itself.
     
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    this is myself in the video. Do you think doing this, is going to help me in a fight, vs a guy that gets up off the coach and starts throwing punches?

     
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    To sum it up for you, the striking helps you develop muscle memory. This can be very good or very bad depending on the tutelage you are given. Once you spar with it, you will be able to implement better blocks, counters, offensive and defensive movements. This goes a long way in helping you when you enter a competition. Many pure grapplers have not done well because they aren't used to getting hit. Make no mistake the gracies had taken plenty of strikes and knew how to work around it.
     
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  10. AtlSteel Blue Belt

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    It doesn't. Waste of time. One of the most dominant champions of all time apparently didn't spend any time on it at all.
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    Hate shit pad holders, even you correct them "okay", then they do the same shit. We had a few and it messed up our fighters when they paid. Dude held pads like you were fighting 3 different people at once. come fight day, we're warming up with the coach, and every punch ends up missing due to reps in with shit holders. And lets not even get with kicks where because of shit holding trajectory you end up kicking upwards instead of inwards, and you end up hitting elbows. In that case, badwork is better, you end up hitting inwards all the time.

    Padholding is an art, and its a workout as well when you're paired with someone. I remember having to do jab + middle kick, and slowed the tempo down because this one was too slow. My coach straight up said, kick him anyways, he'll have to learn to hold or he's gonna get hurt. And it worked, guy moved fast to meet the kick, and I was able to drill the right tempo. Its a 1,2 tempo, but before with his crap holding it ended up being bam, pause, bam and had me losing momentum, power, speed, and everything
     
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    its one of the huge problems i faced as a youngster training. coach pairs everyone up, says a combo, then walks around and corrects people. that really isnt the coach teaching you, thats the guy holding pads teaching you. And when thats they case, you and the guy holding pads could be doing the same thing in your garage, so what are you really paying for? to use the gym facility. This is how it is at 99% of the gyms out there and why its so rare and hard to find coaches that actually put time and effort into their students or fighters without charging for "privates". This can all be referenced back to my post in "why muay thai is so watered down in america". You will never see a thai gym (fight gym) that runs "classes" they way they do here.

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    Its something that riles me, even to this day. I post on the Facebook group to drill certain moves that would benefit me and the new cats. "Hey guys, you're 4 weeks out and don't know how to clinch, let's drill it between 6 PM+) And they being wussies avoid and just go in the mornings instead (I go at night because I work a 9-5), so in the end despite in camp I'm doing nothing but hitting the bag + conditioning for 4/8 weeks in camp. WTF

    At this point I have to pay for privates to get normal training, that;'s a rip off, WTF am I paying the gym for? I can get that shit at your local 24h fitness, and there I have better selection of poon to select from.

    to those that ask, the top guys are pros and cross training at other locations, and well that leaves me with little. Shit, I might even have to do the same, but that money is reserved for alcohol and escorts, why should I take that $$$ out for something I'm already paying for. inb4 you sound poor
     
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  14. shincheckin Green Belt

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    where are you located?

    why do you think those guys are cross training........exactly.
     
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    I'm in Toronto, Canada.

    I've been thinking about cross training in boxing for awhile actually. A few gyms in the country have a good boxing program, and they've been making waves in the ammy scene. Problem is I like drinking and fucking, so I've been holding back on spending money on another gym. Its what $130 a month? That's a Tatjana on a Saturday night.
     
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    do you fight? most places cut you a deal if you fight and represent their gym. cross training in boxing is a good idea. its helped me a ton. I pretty much won my last fight all due to my boxing

    where do you train, i think canada has some good mt gyms
     
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    i have never talked shit about rhonda before, the recent post about her, i thought her striking looked good actually. but this clip right here :confused:
     
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    Prodigy of the GOATest coach Edmund T. who's record includes a notable win against Fabricio Werdum
     
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    That gif is sped up. Look at the trainers head and the child quick arm movement.
     
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    Indeed, I doubt you're a surgeon. Since you don't know much about such a high level study, we can come to the conclusion that you're stupid as well.
     
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