How do Muay Thai Fighters Defend Straight Punches?

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Just watched some hightlights of Cerrone vs. Masvidal & Till. What would Anderson do? Or what would a great Muay Thai fighter do against fast, straight punches?

I see they catch his low kicks and then just punch the hell out of him.
 
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Same as a boxer, just not as well. Though it goes without saying that the Muay Thai guy he is fighting isn't throwing his straights with the same overall skill as a boxer so it all evens out.
- bring forearms in
- slip outside (more preferable) or inside (less preferable)
- parry single punch
- move laterally
- step back
 
Valentina Shevchenko, who has more world championships in Muay Thai than you can count on your hands, shows you how it's done.

 
Valentina Shevchenko, who has more world championships in Muay Thai than you can count on your hands, shows you how it's done.


Wow. It seems pretty rare to see a muay thai bob & weave though Anderson did it too but he did it in a mocking, showy fashion.
 
Same as a boxer, just not as well. Though it goes without saying that the Muay Thai guy he is fighting isn't throwing his straights with the same overall skill as a boxer so it all evens out.
- bring forearms in
- slip outside (more preferable) or inside (less preferable)
- parry single punch
- move laterally
- step back

parry, slip, movement as mentioned by @wilddeuces

you can also time their punches and use your teep as they soon as you see them start to throw the punch.
 
Typically they'll just step back and counter with a kick or jam the punch and clinch. In MT, the distance is much longer than boxing.
 
Just watched some hightlights of Cerrone vs. Masvidal & Till. What would Anderson do? Or what would a great Muay Thai fighter do against fast, straight punches?

I see they catch his low kicks and then just punch the hell out of him.

In general, I don't think most good Nak Muay are going to just hang out in punching range. When you watch high level MT fighters go against punchers, you generally see a few things:

  • Lots of teeping and body kicks as the puncher moves in to punish him and maintain distance
  • Lots of knees while keeping the high guard. Really sucks to throw a punch into someone's gloves while he blasts you with a knee
  • Very fast phase shifting from kicking to clinching range

In boxing you'll get penalized for clinching too much so you don't tend to see a ton of it, but it works wonders as a way to shut down a puncher. Especially when you can parry punches and fold over into elbows, you can kill guys who are letting their hands go too much. One of my favorite fighters is Pornsanae (because he's so goddamn exciting) who, for a Thai, fights a lot like a Dutch kickboxer with a heavy punching + low kick game, and while he wins a lot of fights he also eats a shit ton of damage mostly from elbows.

Here are a few examples:





Also worth noting is that most Nak Muay don't throw a ton of low kicks. That's much more a Dutch thing. There are some (like Pornsanae) who specialize in them, but body kicking is much more common in pure MT.
 
Thanks for your very informative reply.
In general, I don't think most good Nak Muay are going to just hang out in punching range. When you watch high level MT fighters go against punchers, you generally see a few things:

  • Lots of teeping and body kicks as the puncher moves in to punish him and maintain distance
  • Lots of knees while keeping the high guard. Really sucks to throw a punch into someone's gloves while he blasts you with a knee
  • Very fast phase shifting from kicking to clinching range

In boxing you'll get penalized for clinching too much so you don't tend to see a ton of it, but it works wonders as a way to shut down a puncher. Especially when you can parry punches and fold over into elbows, you can kill guys who are letting their hands go too much. One of my favorite fighters is Pornsanae (because he's so goddamn exciting) who, for a Thai, fights a lot like a Dutch kickboxer with a heavy punching + low kick game, and while he wins a lot of fights he also eats a shit ton of damage mostly from elbows.

Here are a few examples:





Also worth noting is that most Nak Muay don't throw a ton of low kicks. That's much more a Dutch thing. There are some (like Pornsanae) who specialize in them, but body kicking is much more common in pure MT.
 
Basically what Uchi Mata said. Punching range is mostly a transition range in MT. They will try to punish a puncher with piercing knees, or even body roundhouses while absorbing the blows with the forearms.
They can also step in to counter with elbows, or go for the clinch.

Punches in MT are mostly for setting up something else. You make your opponent cover with a 1 or 1-2 to set up your kicks, clinch entry etc...
That's why i find the gif of Valentina Shevchenko very dangerous for MT. What she does is beautiful, but if you do that more than 2-3 times against a kicker, his next combo will be a 1-2-kick...
He may not even do it in purpose, but in MT, 1-2-kick is so common, that the risk of slipping into a shin is huge.

So for me its:

Blocking with forearms+a punishment.
-piercing knee
-elbows
-mid roundhouse
-clinch

PS: For MT, not for MMA...
 
So for me its:

Blocking with forearms+a punishment.
-piercing knee
-elbows
-mid roundhouse
-clinch

PS: For MT, not for MMA...
I'm pretty sure some like till Till can punch through forearms. Masvidal would catch the mid roundhouse and bash you with fists. The knee & clinch seem good though.
 
I'm pretty sure some like till Till can punch through forearms.

I'm talking about MT, not MMA. With the bigger gloves and high tight guard, the punches don't come through.

Masvidal would catch the mid roundhouse and bash you with fists.

If you kick while he is punching, he usually wont be able to catch the kick.
If he catches your leg, you still have 2 hands, while he will only have one free... His punches wont be your primary concern... you can still shield up.
 
For the record, Till has better MT credentials than Cerrone anyway.

It's not a matter of martial art vs. martial art in modern MMA, it's more about gameplans and adaptations, the techniques from all arts are there.
 
There are 3 types of slip, bend at the hip, dip 1 leg, rotate, you can still rotate to slip in muay thai wo compromising yourself to HK and knees.
 
Basically what Uchi Mata said. Punching range is mostly a transition range in MT. They will try to punish a puncher with piercing knees, or even body roundhouses while absorbing the blows with the forearms.
They can also step in to counter with elbows, or go for the clinch.

For sure. It generally becomes a teep & knee clinic with some round kicks mixed in to keep the guy honest. The Buakaw vs. Holzken rematch is a textbook example of using teeps & knees to shut down a puncher and run away with the fight.



Punches in MT are mostly for setting up something else. You make your opponent cover with a 1 or 1-2 to set up your kicks, clinch entry etc...
That's why i find the gif of Valentina Shevchenko very dangerous for MT. What she does is beautiful, but if you do that more than 2-3 times against a kicker, his next combo will be a 1-2-kick...
He may not even do it in purpose, but in MT, 1-2-kick is so common, that the risk of slipping into a shin is huge.

Agreed. Throwing a round kick is pretty much instinctive for a Nak Muay, if there's any kind of an opening it's likely going to be attacked with a round kick, it's just they way they're trained. Which is why Valentina fights differently in MT, she often crashes right into the clinch where she abuses her opponents and throws them around. It's almost unfair how much faster she is than most of her opponents.

 
Just watched some hightlights of Cerrone vs. Masvidal & Till. What would Anderson do? Or what would a great Muay Thai fighter do against fast, straight punches?

I see they catch his low kicks and then just punch the hell out of him.

muay thai is more about blocking/catching/parrying and than countering rather than slipping/evading (opens you up). Just parry the jab or straight right.
 
@aerius

Buakaw had a very simple and effective game plan for this match. Jabs to set up the mid teep. When closer, knee and clinch drops. Some rare lows and mid roundhouses just to mix a bit.
I really like how he alternates heavy jabs, with jabs that are mostly a transition to long guard, to keep Holtzken at bay for the teep.

I dint really like Shevchenko match. She uses illegal methods to take down her opponent, and landing on your opponent after a drop is a completely dick move in my book.
And to be honest, i wasn't convinced by her opponent. She dint know how to use her reach advantage, zero aggression... and front foot low kicks? in MT? seriously?
I like Shevchenko in MMA, but not really impressed by her as a "world MT champion"...
 
muay thai is more about blocking/catching/parrying and than countering rather than slipping/evading (opens you up). Just parry the jab or straight right.

This is what I like about MT. I am mostly a boxing practicioner, but I dislike all these slips, weaves. A good strong guard is a key according to me. However all that does not really stop me from appreciating someone like Maywheater for example.
 
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