How dangerous is it to use a bag without gloves | Page 2

Discussion in 'Strength & Conditioning Discussion' started by The Prevalier, May 22, 2011.

  1. 5tapl3r Banned

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    1. So the guy should spend MONTHS (Half a year? a whole year?) striking air instead of just protecting himself with gloves?? You will improve a lot faster if you actualy train for real instead of passing a year striking air...

    2. I tryed to find what did you mean by ''karate fist'' and I didnt find anything... but if you think karateka knows how to punch better than boxers, you are just even dumber than I thought.

    3. As someone stated before, its not because something has been used for hundreds of years that it means it is good. Conservatism is usually a very bad thing.
     
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  2. Seppuku Sam Blue Belt

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    So when you learn to play music you spend how much time practicing chords before diving into learning a whole song. Tradtionally, the learning of any craft or art was an endeavour that took years upon years of painful, tedious, and yes boring practice of the basics. I understand the modern demand for instsnt restlts....and the "gotta have it now mentality"......but thats not how I learned or how I teach.
    YES....you should spend months kicking and punching air before attempting to strike an object. YES....you should progress to striking a "karate post". Hit wiki for "makiwara" if you are interested. And there IS physiology and science behind these ancient methods...ever heard of Wolfs Law? The properly trained fist undergoes permant physical transformation through this type of rigorous training. I realize that there are examples of grossly deformed knuckles out there.....this is not what is meant. Yes, knuckles get bigger and some calous's form....the fist takes on a square apperance. I stopped hitting the makiwara 20 years ago...my fist is as strong as ever.

    I failed to mention in my original post that in addtion to the striking training discussed....that you must ALSO rigorusly strengthen your hands, wrist and forearm. Bruce Lee was fanatical over this. Finger push ups, thumb push up, rope climbs, grip work.......ALL of this is equally important. This is how it was done all the way back to the Shaolin temple and Bodiharma.
    If you take the time to train properly, you get stronger, little by little, every day. If you train the way of hand wraps and heavy bag pounding, every day you get weaker and eventually you break. your choice.
    And yes^...I do believe a well trained Karateka can punch better than a boxer. In a bare knuckle bout, I bet you too know whos punch will hold up longer.
     
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  3. flak Guest

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    Okay,wait...

    I trained in three styles of karate pretty seriously, and I see the value of traditional training for the sake of physical/mental/spiritual development, self-discipline, fun and learning about Asian culture. I respect the fact that you're trying to do things the traditional way, but I think you're dead wrong about heavy bags.

    I've used a makiwara. The ones I used didn't offer nearly the degree of resistance a heavy bag does.

    Hit a 70-pound heavy bag hard for 20 or 30 minutes a few times a week with wraps and gloves, your fingers, hands, wrists and arms will get stronger. Wolff's Law -- bone density increases in response to heavy loading/impact -- why would that not apply to someone punching the hell out of a heavy object? I was just watching the movie "When We Were Kings" -- there's training footage of George Foreman brutalizing a heavy bag, down at the bottom end where the filling is really packed in tight. His shots leave a cavity big enough for a bird to build a nest in -- you think he was getting weak from training?

    Bruce Lee hit heavy bags, sand bags and wooden dummies, all of which offer much greater resistance than a makiwara.

    In my (admittedly limited) experience in boxing/kickboxing classes, students are started on heavy bag training almost immediately because it's so central to the training, and it's not that difficult or dangerous. The menu of techniques is relatively small, and there's more time devoted to executing them. There's no NEED to make students wait for months before hitting solid objects. Boxing is all about what's practical.
     
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  4. Fu** Banned

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    Lol sorry I know how to hit properly and am not a fragile puscake like some of you.
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  5. Midnighter Black Belt

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    You sound like a pusscake.
     
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    So you're not actually hang banging then, are you? Big difference between hang banging and a weeble wobble.
     
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  7. TeddyRoosevelt Brown Belt

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    Wrong. False. Uncorrect. Lacking in veracity.

    Just a bunch of generally inaccurate and useless information.
     
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  8. Fu** Banned

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    When I was 12-14 ya. Now I "hang bang"
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  9. 5tapl3r Banned

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    We are done talking... not that the rest of your post made more sense, but this is just plain stupid and it's just impossible to argue with someone thinking like you.

    You probably received too much punches in the face from bare knuckle fight over the course of your 40+ years of training and you can't think correcly anymore. Or you just have no idea what you are talking about because you passed 30 of those 40 years striking air.... I feel pity for you.

    Stupid karatekas.
     
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  10. peytonlucy Silver Belt

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    As you get older I think your hands will tell you that this is a bad idea.
     
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  11. peytonlucy Silver Belt

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    Your hands will not speak words but will use sign language.
     
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  12. Midnighter Black Belt

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    Personally, I emptied my heavy bag and filled it with bricks and I don't use gloves.

    I just focus my ki around my hands.

    Just saiyan.
     
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  13. SaiWa Purple Belt

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    sounds to me like you are scared of the shoryuken... i would be too... that shit hurts...
     
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  14. karlcom White Belt

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    Seriously you dont know how close to the truth that is! I trained SD mainly openhand for years then my interest curved to bare knuckle focused punching,for pre-emption(lower hands)or a few stunning shots to escape,Ive been practicing about eighteen months and ive just filmed a clip on my 30lb sandbag and I train under this guy:icon_chee

    YouTube - ‪kaarl52's Channel‬‏


    and heres my clip:icon_neut

    YouTube - ‪Bare knuckle focused punching/conditioning on a sand bag and phone books‬‏
     
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  15. Midnighter Black Belt

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    What's your ki level?
     
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  16. karlcom White Belt

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    Eer?........29?
     
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  17. Midnighter Black Belt

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    That's pretty weak.

    No offense, just saiyan.
     
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  18. karlcom White Belt

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    I hope to reach 30 by the time im 70,well thats my aim:)
     
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  19. Midnighter Black Belt

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    I'm over 9000 last time I checked with my scouter.
     
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  20. FaceEraser White Belt

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    Is that you Brian??
     
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