How are Mexican ethnicity fighters so good?

do you think mexico loses its status to kazakhs, uzbeks amd tajiks in the near future ?

i read on a boxing forum that the best amateurs and rising stars are coming out of the stans. for the weight divisions hispanics usually fight in anyway.

it was more of a topic debating the future popularity of boxing and how it will be difficult to sell nersan aslanbek etc etc in america.

Amateur boxing is non-existant in Mexico, so i can guess that it could be easily passed by countries in which boxers are more professionally taken care off.
 
because the best fighters are always under privileged.

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Watch first italian immigrants in America being involved a lot in boxing and having some Champions, then they gradually gained better life/$ standards and i see them no more
 
Pacquiao is an anormaly for boxers as a whole. You can't use his success to discredit other asian world champions.

Pacquiao is an anomaly for Asian boxers, but he is not an anomaly for Black or Hispanic or White boxers, and by anomaly, I mean being able to rise to the ranks and be competitive against the likes of Mayweather, De La Hoya, Marquez, Cotto, Hatton, etc.

There is a reason Inoue is hailed as one of the greatest japanese talents and in many top 10 p4p lists.

I never said he isn't one of the grestest Japanese boxers. I said that in terms of world class boxers, Asian boxers, except for Manny, are not comparable to the level Black, Hispanic, or White boxers, in weight classes with the deeper talent pools.

Aside from him, do you even know who's picture I posted? Biggest standout star of the boxing world 2017 Rungvisai, knocking out former #1 p4p ring magazin fighter Roman Gonzales.

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You clearly just googled his name and got the wrong boxer, because you have no idea about boxing. That's like me saying : "Anderson Silva, that bum that is 0-1 in mma?".

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Anderson-da-Silva-242261

Cmon, buddy.

Never heard of him until now.

As I mentioned before, I don't follow boxing like I do with MMA. However, I do know the big names in boxing, and the Thai boxer whose picture you showed is not big enough of a name for everyone to know, and it doesn't help the fact that there are 4 different boxing organizations and he's in 7 weight classes below Manny. That's 28 different belts.

Come on, bro, use some common sense here.
 
Pacquiao is an anomaly for Asian boxers, but he is not an anomaly for Black or Hispanic or White boxers, and by anomaly, I mean being able to rise to the ranks and be competitive against the likes of Mayweather, De La Hoya, Marquez, Cotto, Hatton, etc.



I never said he isn't one of the grestest Japanese boxers. I said that in terms of world class boxers, Asian boxers, except for Manny, are not comparable to the level Black, Hispanic, or White boxers, in weight classes with the deeper talent pools.



Never heard of him until now.

As I mentioned before, I don't follow boxing like I do with MMA. However, I do know the big names in boxing, and the Thai boxer whose picture you showed is not big enough of a name for everyone to know, and it doesn't help the fact that there are 4 different boxing organizations and he's in 7 weight classes below Manny. That's 28 different belts.

Come on, bro, use some common sense here.

that's quite embarrassing of a post.
 
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Combination of Native Aztec and other Native Tribe Warrior Genetics Mixed with Spanish Conquistador Soldier Genetics.

The Spanish Soldiers who came from Spain were hardened by 100's of years of constant war before they even arrived in Mexico and South America. Mix that with Native Warrior Genetics and you have yourself some hardheaded fierce people.
 
It's in the DNA. Natural born fighters.

Cain, Gastelum, Ferguson, Ortega, just to name a few.
Hispanics generally have really good cardio. They are generally very durable guys. They also appear to have less lean muscle mass...which means they use less oxygen when they fight. One exception is elevation cain velasquez lol.

Black Fighters of west African origin generally have more muscle mass, and we see them tiring out a lot. Example: Kimbo Slice, Francis Ngannou, etc.. But there's also other white fighters with a lot of muscle like GSP, tim kennedy, sage northcutt, etc. So I'm not solely convinced it's all based on muscle mass as much as it is about training.

If I had to pick one race or ethnicity with the best genes for fighting it would be samoans or pacific islanders. I saw a stat where they are like way more likely to be NFL players than any other race or ethnicity. I think part of the reason we don't see a lot of samoan fighters necessarily dominating everywhere is because a) there are way less of them compared to other races b) they probably have less traditional martial arts and training facilities/capabilities than the NA, SA, Europe.
 
Exactly

New kid Alexander Hernandez also made a helluva debut.

It’s like they are built to fight
is he of Mexican/central American origin or are his parents of Spanish origin? Spaniards are white. Technically both are considered "Hispanic" so I suppose it fits in to the TS. Difference between the two is that some have more native American genes and some have more "white" genes. But yea that kid is a beast and is pretty damn serious from what I saw.
 
Adversity breads success. How many privileged kids do you see go on to do great things in combat sport?
BJ Penn

No look I think you are right to a degree, we've seen a lot of great fighters that came from a rough upbringing. Sometimes I think UFC builds a narrative that may not be entirely as bad as it sounds for the upbringing of a fighter, but it makes a damn good story. I think ultimately it depends on the "fighter mentality" and training that lies within fighters. There must be drive and work ethic to succeed at that level, and I think a lot of that comes from parenting. But there are still those guys that grow up without a dime and turn into beasts as they grow up.
 
It's because the parental Asian influence is predominantly school and academics.
I'm not convinced Asians are not capable of being great fighters (from a genetic standpoint). Or any race for that matter.
 
BJ Penn

No look I think you are right to a degree, we've seen a lot of great fighters that came from a rough upbringing. Sometimes I think UFC builds a narrative that may not be entirely as bad as it sounds for the upbringing of a fighter, but it makes a damn good story. I think ultimately it depends on the "fighter mentality" and training that lies within fighters. There must be drive and work ethic to succeed at that level, and I think a lot of that comes from parenting. But there are still those guys that grow up without a dime and turn into beasts as they grow up.

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Very good point, I forget BJ was from a wealthy family.
 
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Very good point, I forget BJ was from a wealthy family.
Also I think a lot of american fighters come from middle class families. Not necessarily rich or poor. I guess a fair portion at least. Like weidman, wonder boy, stipe. I could go on but you prob get where i'm going with this.

Another thing I was thinking about is a lot of guys without father figures or mothers make great fighters. They may not necessarily be poor, but there does seem to be a quite a few without parent(s). Like even Ronda Rousey, her dad died when she was young. Also..Jeremy Stephens was an orphan I think? It could mean fighters mature faster and/or have anger issues as a result of this. That may be how they cope with their problems growing up, and then it fuels them. Idk for sure, but something is behind a lot of this.

And some were just exposed to combat sports from an early age too. Either their dad was a wrestler or some other MA. Like Sage Northcutt, his dad was a karate guy I think, and I think he was pretty affluent. https://www.axs.com/news/sage-north...-and-motivated-despite-affluent-upbring-71704

And if we are talking about brazilians, hell that whole country is a struggle so of course they will produce some tough guys.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see more Asian mma fighters do well in MMA, but the reality is, most of them don't do as well fighters of other ethnicities.

Same goes for boxing. The only world class Asian boxer is Pacquiao.
Thailand, Philippines, japan are all top notched boxing countries. South Korea use to be shit loads of boxing world champs too but boxing died out in the mid 2000’s. Japan has the most boxing world champs behind USA and Mexico.... let that sink in.
 
You'll notice the top Mexican fighters are light skinned:

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Tony? Cejuro?
So are we talking about genetics or cultural background that makes you a good fighter? If we are talking about genetics then that's f*ing stupid because Mexican is a mixed race, is not a pure race just like the "Caucasus" or "Caucasians".
I'm Mexican and got this DNA kit as a Christmas gift and if you see my results you would be surprised.
 
boxing has had so many. And now in mma aswell this Ortega kid is a damn beast.
You know, we could spin broscience all day about the Indian/Caucasian mix that most Mexicans show, testosterone levels and FT muscle fibres vs ST muscle fibres. But in the end, all sports are about how easy the access to doping and steroids is and how popular the sport in question is in the country in question.

Racial differences are a taboo theme nowadays, but it's really a red herring. It's all about the juice (right-wing pun not intended).
 
Why is it so suprisingly?? Mexicans might not have the size for football, or the height for basketball, but fighting is fair game..
 
Tony? Cejuro?
So are we talking about genetics or cultural background that makes you a good fighter? If we are talking about genetics then that's f*ing stupid because Mexican is a mixed race, is not a pure race just like the "Caucasus" or "Caucasians".
I'm Mexican and got this DNA kit as a Christmas gift and if you see my results you would be surprised.

Amazing that it took until the 5th page of this topic to note this extremely obvious, basic point.

"Hispanic" (let alone "Mexican") is not a distinct race, but a mix of two different races (white and American Indian). And the "white" genes don't even always come from Spaniards; Argentinians have heavy Italian and/or Germany ancestry, for instance. People referred to as "Hispanic" can literally be anywhere from 100% white to 100% American Indian.

There are cultural reasons why there are more Hispanic fighters (and thus, due to the sheer numbers trying, many good/great Hispanic fighters), but the racial angle is a non-starter for this reason alone.
 
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