Hitler and the Exaggerated Butterfly Effect

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Interesting idea that Hitler's rise to power and timing have changed the future we live in today. It is indeed ironic that millennial crying about Hitler and the misdeeds in 1930's and 40's are only here because of what he's done. My grandparents on mother's side are from Europe, so I can confidently say they would probably not have met if it wasn't for WW2 and Hitler (and myriad of other things, of course).

https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/feb/21/time-travellers-kill-adolf-hitler

Also, this meme is appropriate:

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I'm sure Hitler was not the only student rejected. Why did the other students not go crazy and become dictators?
 
I see where you're going with this. But it's more appropriate for a place like Mayberry Lounge.
 
If I hadn't pulled your clumsy drunken mother out of that outhouse in Gainesville...
 
Actually a very interesting thing.

I think to myself I applied to do a Masters in a topic of great interest to me.... but didn't get in.

I have subsequently worked in an entirely different field for a very very long time.

Curious as to how my life would have changed had I been accepted.

I suppose we all have those key moments, though we were adults, it was a choice someone else made, that impacted our lives so much. Like poking a hole in a condom.
 
CEROVFC said:
Actually a very interesting thing.

I think to myself I applied to do a Masters in a topic of great interest to me.... but didn't get in.

I have subsequently worked in an entirely different field for a very very long time.

Curious as to how my life would have changed had I been accepted.

I suppose we all have those key moments, though we were adults, it was a choice someone else made, that impacted our lives so much. Like poking a hole in a condom.
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You could be maybe even happier now or maybe you'd be crippled or dead by some terrible accident. Reminds me of my car accident in 2010. I didn't get hurt but could have just as easily. It was at 10pm or so. Some manana goofball made a U-turn into me as I was passing through the intersection at 35mph.

Was his fault. It made me think about how every minute of that day and of that dipshit's day culminated in him running into me. Few seconds here or there and I wouldn't have to had dealt with all that BS.

Now imagine a billion people all coming together. A big figure like Hitler certainly caused massive changes in everyone's lives, and even more so as the time passes.
 
Hitler should not of tried to exterminate the Jews. Exterminating the Jews was the wrong thing to do.
 
he prob would have dropped out and became a hippie
 
PastThePoint said:
Interesting idea that Hitler's rise to power and timing have changed the future we live in today. It is indeed ironic that millennial crying about Hitler and the misdeeds in 1930's and 40's are only here because of what he's done. My grandparents on mother's side are from Europe, so I can confidently say they would probably not have met if it wasn't for WW2 and Hitler (and myriad of other things, of course).

https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/feb/21/time-travellers-kill-adolf-hitler

Also, this meme is appropriate:

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Movies were made about this. Old news and nothing more than fictional speculation.
 
CEROVFC said:
Actually a very interesting thing.

I think to myself I applied to do a Masters in a topic of great interest to me.... but didn't get in.

I have subsequently worked in an entirely different field for a very very long time.

Curious as to how my life would have changed had I been accepted.

I suppose we all have those key moments, though we were adults, it was a choice someone else made, that impacted our lives so much. Like poking a hole in a condom.
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Yeah. I once applied for a job and got to the round of the final two but they chose the other one. I went on to get a way (way) cooler and better paying job a couple months later.

Life has been rather good to me so far if I look back, so I developed a personal philosophy that everything will eventually fall into place and make sense in retrospective.

I understand this is kind of an alternate history thread, though, and while I am not sure the OP is the best way to trigger this discussion, it is a thrilling subject for sure.

If there had been no Hitler in Germany, the Weimar republic likely would have failed anyway. But would we have had war? Would the spread of communism have been contained without US troops on European soil? Because the way I understand it (not a historian or topic expert), the US were going back to their isolationanist ways following WW1 until at least Pearl Harbor.

Maybe it did not take Auschwitz, but it probably did take the horrors of WW2 to arrive at the relatively stable post-war order.

I just hope it does not take the WW3 Captain Picard mentions in the TNG pilot with 70+ million deaths until we get Starfleet and the Federation
 
Devout Pessimist said:
I'm sure Hitler was not the only student rejected. Why did the other students not go crazy and become dictators?
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Well, I imagine many probably did end up in the wehrmacht or SS. The Germans pretty much mobilized everyone at some point.
 
The rise of Hitler did at least four huge things for human history:

(a) it showed the inherent violence and volatility of fascism and far-right social policy, ostensibly halting huge momentum for fascism throughout the world, including the United States,

(b) it stopped the rise of communism in Germany, which if successful would have followed the general Marxian thesis for how communism would latch, spread the German epicenter, and be successful (instead, the diametrical rise of fascism and the instantaneous rise of Stalinism and defeat of Trotskyism, and the effect of the former on the latter significantly deformed existing communist development and shaped how communism would be practiced and perceived for subsequent decades),

(c) it showed the political utility of racism and the vulnerability of racial and ethnic groups, particularly the Jewish, and (

d) it resulted in the creation of Israel and the subsequent creation of a huge driver of Middle Eastern conflict and western involvement in the region.

The rise of Hitler was extremely, extremely influential on Western development.
 
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If Hitler didnt exist, we wouldn't have viagra or amphetamines.

Stick that idea in your pipe and smoke it.
 
CEROVFC said:
Actually a very interesting thing.

I think to myself I applied to do a Masters in a topic of great interest to me.... but didn't get in.

I have subsequently worked in an entirely different field for a very very long time.

Curious as to how my life would have changed had I been accepted.

I suppose we all have those key moments, though we were adults, it was a choice someone else made, that impacted our lives so much. Like poking a hole in a condom.
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You didn’t get accepted into your program either?

Watch out guys, potential future Hitler!
 
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