Herniated Disk -- Do they ever Heal?

I herniated my C6-C7 on Christmas eve so its been just over a month since the injury happened. About an hour or two after I noticed the first signs of pain the pain grew to the point of where it was almost unbearable. My right arm went completely numb and the muscles in my right arm, pec, and back were twitching all over the place. After the twitching went away I was left with close to zero strength in my tricep, forearm, lat and pec, all on the right side of my body. A trip to the hospital confirmed that it was a cervical herniated disc.

The first week I was in the most pain I've ever felt in my entire life. There was no way to escape the pain, it was scary. I went and got a facet injection about 5 days after the injury and it helped slightly with the severity of the pain.

The second week I started going to acupuncture. I was skeptical at first but I was willing to try anything to get the pain to go away, the last thing I was thinking about was training, my main concern at that point was for the intense pain to go away. After my first session I noticed that I was now able to sit in certain positions where the pain was very dull, where as before no position would relieve any of the pain. I went to acupuncture three days that week with slight improvements in pain and range of motion in my neck each time.

The third week I continued with acupuncture and now the pain was starting to get significantly better. At this point I was feeling good enough to try some cardio. I would do a few sets on the versa climber every day. At first I was worried that this would upset the herniation but surprisingly it actually relieved the pain. I ended up going to acupuncture another three times that week and did cardio 5 days that week.

The fourth week I started physical therapy. At this point my pain was very dull but my right pec, lat and tricep were still extremely weak and the fingers in my right hand were still very numb. I ended up going to physical therapy twice that week with slight improvement in my strength after each session. I also went to acupuncture once.

The fifth week (this week) I noticed a sudden significant improvement in my strength since my second physical therapy session. I even felt good enough to do some drills with my instructor. Two days later I avoided positions that would put pressure on my neck and ended up training a few rounds and felt fine. Another two days later (today) I ended up training pretty hard with close to no pain. I also ended up going to acupuncture once and physical therapy another two days this week.

As of now the fingers in my right hand are still numb and my strength is far from where it was before my injury but it is quickly improving each day. I also still feel dull pain shooting down my right arm but I barely even notice it anymore. I plan on training 3-4 days next week with continued phyical therapy and acupunture. After that Im planning on going back to training 6 days a week and I have no reason to believe that I wont be fine to compete at Pans and maybe even Boston Open if all goes well with my recovery. I know this is a wall of text but I took the time to write this hoping that some of you could take some of these steps to help with your recovery. This is such a shitty injury to have but don't let it turn you away from something you love to do. I wish anyone suffering from a disc herniation a speedy recovery and a quick return to the mats!

I know your pain - I couldn't escape it and it becomes exhausting; waking up in agonizingpain when the painkillers wear off... it was torturous.
My right arm became a feeble chicken wing and any movement in the slightest triggered ridiculous spasms that only exacerbated the EXCRUCIATING nerve pain.

Never had pain close to that in my life and I can't imagine worse...
 
My mother had the same problem and hers got worse and worse, she eventually just got hooked to medication because of it. Doctors would not do surgery because it had a 50% chance of worsening it...I'd take it light until you can get a definitive answer, take lots of motrin!
 
They can get better as far as I know.

I know people who've had them and after several months have recovered completely without surgury. I on the other hand had surgery and I'm still fucked!
 
Two days ago just got the results from a recent MRI. One herniated disc (the one on the bottom) and the three above that one are bulging. However, I suffered about 5 months with it in agonizing pain but suddenly about 3 months ago I felt better and training normally since then. However recently I had a car accident and they ordered an MRI. When they gave me the results, the physical therapist asked me how in the world I was walking around. I asked why and he told me the news. Lol. It did get better in my case, thankfully.
 
After two years of constant research, I have emerged with a great deal of spinal knowledge. In my opinion, no, as a general rule herniated discs no not heal. With an occasional exception, they will at best recede, and within a year, bone spurs will form that can cause just as many problems. The degeneration will continue as your body ages and naturally weakens.

It is my opinion that the single best solution is artificial disc replacement, with a device called the M6 by Spinal Kinetics. The M6 is not yet available in the United States.

There is a good device available in the US called the Prodisc. It is better than fusion, but far inferior to the M6.

You can deal with the symptoms, you can fuse it, or you can fix it.

Braulio Estima has two M6-C's.

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Herniated disc at c5-c6. Waited too long to fix it and now have bone spurs at multiple levels. Headed to Europe for multi-level ADR in the next month. God bless all my fellow spine patients. Protect your neck.
 
I know your pain - I couldn't escape it and it becomes exhausting; waking up in agonizingpain when the painkillers wear off... it was torturous.
My right arm became a feeble chicken wing and any movement in the slightest triggered ridiculous spasms that only exacerbated the EXCRUCIATING nerve pain.

Never had pain close to that in my life and I can't imagine worse...

It really is impossible to try and explain nerve pain to somebody who has never felt it before. I read in your previous post that you finally feeling recovered, congrats on that and sorry to hear about your knee. Do you still have any lingering symptoms from your C6 injury like weakness or numbness?
 
glad to see this thread is still going! for all my fellow noodle necks...how have you adjusted your bjj game to compensate?

for me personally, before i decided to take a break my biggest issue was mental. Every second of rolling, only one thing would dominate my mind- keep the neck safe. I was just utterly afraid of possibly being paralyzed. That plus the fact that I was gradually getting physically weaker, as someone who was big into weights and loved strength this was a huge mental blow as well. As I was getting weaker, I also realized more and more my technique sucked. It's been a year and a half now since i last rolled, but hoping to get myself back on the mat. I think I just have to accept how i am now and just do it, but it's easier said than done.
 
I got the tweak/pinch in my neck about a month ago. Started on the right side but after first week was all on the left side and a got a huge knot/trigger point around the left clavicle. Per doc's request tried twice in the first 10 days to just do light technique and it ended up spasming the next day each time. Chiro(ART), ortho and pain specialist all say it doesn't seem like its herniated from my not having arm pain/numbness, the x-rays just show deterioration but not much indication of herniation either so they all suggest that I hold off another couple of weeks before getting a MRI. Pain specialist gave me a pack of prednisone, which didn't really seem all that much more effective than ibuprofen. I'm using DMSO, heat, ice, etc. and have switched to a good pillow and all seem to help a bit. Also starting to do some pushups/rowing exercises to help the posture seem to be the most effective thing I've done.

Basically the last three weeks have been alternating periods of 3-4 "good neck days" usually followed by 3-4 "bad neck days." Even though this is the 3rd "good neck day" I'm still tempted to try to schedule the MRI just so I know what's going on.

So, I guess FRAT but I'm just curious whether anyone has had a neck sprain that didn't have arm pain/numbness/weakness that still ended up being a herniated disc? Also, I just wanted to thank everyone for this thread because it makes me feel better that even if it is herniated that doesn't necessarily mean the end of judo/BJJ for me.
 
accupunture anyone? been reading that somehow it helps lower back problems... does anyone have experienced with this?
 
accupunture anyone? been reading that somehow it helps lower back problems... does anyone have experienced with this?

Nope. Acupuncture is BS. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html

I had lots of problems with my lower back. Nothing serious, but I was always throwing something out. I would turn the wrong way and end up in pain for a couple of days. I started lifting weights and I haven't really had any problems since then. Squats and dead lifts saved me.
 
Nope. Acupuncture is BS. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html

I had lots of problems with my lower back. Nothing serious, but I was always throwing something out. I would turn the wrong way and end up in pain for a couple of days. I started lifting weights and I haven't really had any problems since then. Squats and dead lifts saved me.

well, my team mate swears by it... I might give it a try, then let you guys know...
 
Hey guys,

I wanted to post an update about my neck and something which can help others with their neck issues. Some of you may remember me saying how the most important thing I did, and what helped more than anything else for my neck was sleeping properly. I've tried maybe a dozen pillows and sleeping arrangements since I hurt my neck, including different memory foam pillows, bead pillows, cervical rolls, rolled up towels, etc.

However, even though there were some improvements (most of all with a firm memory foam pillow) I still woke up on an almost nightly basis with numbness in my hands. This was NOT the numbness you get from sleeping on your arm but a numbness due to an impinged nerve.

Anyway, I recently (maybe 2 months now) got this buckwheat pillow: http://www.amazon.com/Buckwheat-Pillow-Made-USA-ComfySleep/dp/B006O8EJ68/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1365170960&sr=8-7&keywords=buckwheat+pillow

I was skeptical at first, and its a pretty small pillow, but I never wake up with numbness anymore - seriously, I can't remember the last time I woke up with numb hands since I got this pillow. Its pricey for a pillow, but I recommend anyone with neck problems to look into it. There are other version too but you can see by the number of 5 star reviews how well received this one in.

A couple of notes - the pillow is smaller than a normal pillow and takes some getting used to, but eventually it won't make a difference.

More importantly, as you can see if you read the reviews, when you first get the pillow it could be too hard or too full for you. The first 2 nights I didn't like it at all. I opened the pillow and took out 1-1.5 cups of the buckwheat shells (not much, just enough to not be so tightly packed) and the pillow became perfect.

Some people complain the pillow is "noisy" but that never really bothered me. Also, another plus is that it stays very cool.

Just thought I'd help my F12 brethren with neck issues.
 
Long read but here is my full story....

I have a L4/L5 herniated disc. I’ve probably felt some form of lower back pain (usually if I’m standing for long periods of time) for about 4 years, but I started feeling the tingling and down-the-leg pain probably in April 2011. I always attributed the pain to weak muscles, poor posture, or poor flexibility, but once the pain got sharper and was going down the leg, I knew something more was going on.

July 2011- I went to my regular doctor. He told me to rest from BJJ until I felt OK to train again. He attributed my lack of bending-over-flexibility and my pain to muscle spasms. He gave me some muscle relaxants and told me to buy a new mattress considering I told him I’d been using the same one since I’ve been a kid. I took one week off, felt a very little bit better, then went back to BJJ and trained for a tournament at the end of July. I continued to train until October 2011 for the no-gi Pans, the pain and flexibility problems only got worse. Sleeping was difficult, and every time I stood up I would get an extremely sharp burst in my lower right back/butt. My Mom made me promise that I’d take time off and go to the Orthopedist after the Pans.

October 2011 – Went to orthopedist. Touching my toes at this point was 100% out of the question. He attributed my pain at first to hamstring flexibility problems. He started me on PT, gave me anti-inflammatories and muscle relaxers. I continued PT until December 2011. I was out of BJJ and not lifting weights at all at this point.
December 2011 – I thought I was improving, but once I started weaning off the drugs I realized they were the only thing helping my pain. I returned to the Ortho, who told me to get an MRI since my pain had not improved. MRI showed a herniated disc L4/L5. I did not want surgery, which the doc recommended right away. Instead, he gave me a 5 day multi-use steroid pack, essentially an ultra anti-inflammatory, and told me to continue PT. All they were having me do in PT were lame stretches for my legs, so I opted out of it and did the stretches at home.

Jan 2012 – At this point I was getting tired of not doing any exercise. The steroid pack seemed like it had worked wonders. At this point I continued stretching and started a small work-out schedule. Still no BJJ. The stretch that helped me the most was lying belly down on the floor, putting my hands by my shoulders, and just pressing up while keeping my hips firm on the ground. (This is a common stretch but I forget the name.) They never had me do this in PT, but searching around online, I saw that this stretch was recommended everywhere that lower back disc problems were discussed. I also was doing super-man crunches and a decent amount of ab work.

February 2012 – Final visit to Ortho. He told me if things felt OK, then to just ease my way back into exercise. He gave me one more fill of my Naproxyn prescription, and of course said to come back if it got bad again (in which case he would have to send me to the spine specialist who would want to do surgery.) At this point I started working light squats back into my workout, and continued stretching daily. Still no BJJ.

March 2012 – I return to BJJ. Reduce my Naproxyn use to 1/day, every other day, etc. to eventually not using it at all. Things still feel OK. Touching my toes is still out of the question, but I can finally sleep perfectly OK. BJJ helps me get some strength and flexibility back. I still stay away from heavy benching and squatting, but I continue light squats, and lots of pull-ups.

Today, April 2013 – My back is still not 100%, but it is never the main thing on my mind. It still hurts after standing for long periods of time. I still stretch every single day. The one stretch that I don’t even bother trying is the standard bend over and touch the toes stretch. If I force this stretch, it hurts like it did back in October 2011. This is the only motion that bothers it at this point, and this I can easily avoid. I am back to working max benches, deads, and squats. Since getting back to heavier squatting and deadlifts, my flexibility has improved even more and my pain has gone away even more. I never do high-rep deads, as fatiguing the back causes pain. Lower reps with heavy weight is no problem. I’ve been back to full BJJ for over a year, no problems if I avoid bending straight over. I don’t know if it will ever be 100%, but if it stays how it is now, I’d have no problem living the rest of my life exactly like this. I just hope it does not get worse.

Another thing I started doing over a year ago which helps a lot is sleeping with a pillow between my knees.

I still have a bunch of Naproxyn left over. I pop one Naproxyn and 2 Advils after tournaments as a gift to myself. This is my post-tournament ritual. Other than that, I avoid any kind of pain meds at all costs, as I feel it will hurt my ability to constantly assess the state of my back. I know this was a long read but good luck to anyone with a similar injury.
 
two herniated discs in my lower back, L5-S1 IIRC.

Just wanted to point out that this is one disc. If it were two discs it would be L4-L5 and L5-S1 as you label them by the vertabre they are in between.

BTW - my L4-L5 and L5-S1 are also herniated and a laminectomy(where they are shaved down) didnt do shit for them. What helped was HGH.
 
Just wanted to point out that this is one disc. If it were two discs it would be L4-L5 and L5-S1 as you label them by the vertabre they are in between.

BTW - my L4-L5 and L5-S1 are also herniated and a laminectomy(where they are shaved down) didnt do shit for them. What helped was HGH.

You're not the only person that suggested this.

Did you inject it directly into the disc area? I think HGH is supposed to be subcutaneous and it doesn't really matter where you inject it but just curious.

Also, did you get this legitimately prescribed or black market?
 
You're not the only person that suggested this.

Did you inject it directly into the disc area? I think HGH is supposed to be subcutaneous and it doesn't really matter where you inject it but just curious.

Also, did you get this legitimately prescribed or black market?

I injected in my thigh and around my lovehandles. They recomand you find a bit of fatty tissue to inject and after breaking my back there was pleanty of that around...lol

There is no need to get a perscription for something thats not a controled substance. I went on Gen-sci's website I purchased it directly. You have to buy 50 bottles minimum that way though and it cost like $2000 but was well worth it.
 
L5-S1 hernias. In the acute phase (about one year ago) my posture was completely crooked. It looked ridiculous. Things that helped me:

1. McKenzie Lumbar Roll.
2. Changing my sleeping posture (fetal/side control survival position)
3. Light lifting
4. More than anything, deciding that I do not want to be the guy with back problems. I hate all kinds of pseudo-medical advice, but I skimmed through John Sarnos books and I kind of agree with him. I started training more and trained through the pain (of course after the acute phase).

Now my back feels fine, hamstrings are still very stiff but I am 90% healthy.
 
I injected in my thigh and around my lovehandles. They recomand you find a bit of fatty tissue to inject and after breaking my back there was pleanty of that around...lol

There is no need to get a perscription for something thats not a controled substance. I went on Gen-sci's website I purchased it directly. You have to buy 50 bottles minimum that way though and it cost like $2000 but was well worth it.

Cool, thanks for the info. Hopefully my neck is pretty much healed but if it happens again this may be a reasonable option.
 
I injected in my thigh and around my lovehandles. They recomand you find a bit of fatty tissue to inject and after breaking my back there was pleanty of that around...lol

There is no need to get a perscription for something thats not a controled substance. I went on Gen-sci's website I purchased it directly. You have to buy 50 bottles minimum that way though and it cost like $2000 but was well worth it.

Where did you find the information as to how to use it safely?
 
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